ne and sound in all respects.
#1. I am glad that now both of us agreed "Not to mention any names, no BIG SHOTS".
#2. Harit Pradesh : Vijay both of us have different opinion on this subject. But I will still insist that area does not matter, what matters is model of governance. Please read some good books on Pub. Ad.
Vijay I would really love to see the numbers, percentage wise contribution of Gujjars, Jats in western India. Please donot quote anything just out of your own brain. Hey please let us also know "Kaun se number ka ganna laga rahe hain JAT aaj kal? aur kab se JAT ganne ke sabse bade utpadak ho gaye?".
Well my mama was Director Sugarcane Research & was posted in Hisar, Karnal and Yamuna Nagar (your State). I know very well about the Sugarcane Production trends in India.
"Bhai mere GANNA kisi jati ki jageer nahi hai". Please don't mind but really you made me lbrust into laughter !!! Thanks a lot BUDDY!!! Keep on cracking these kinda JOKES!!! LOL !!!
Let us come to the other point. Boss in U.P. Yadavs are the one who are getting most out of OBC reservation. Let me tell u one more thing " Yaar tum sabse jyada ganna ugate ho (ha ha ha), tum sab se jyada bahadur ho, tum sab se jyada intelligent ho, to bhai ye OBC reservation ki zaroorat tumhe kyon pad rahi hai?". This is why I call JATs OPPORTUNIST. For your kind information, When I was doing B.Tech there was only a single JAT in whole college . Total strength comprising of four years was 800.
Oh my God !!! Now I am able to understand why you are asking for Harit Pradesh, what a dumb I am yaar. OK you guys will first make Harit Pradesh, then you will put yourself into OBC category derive maximum benefit out of it, and also you will make a world record of SUGAR CANE Production in Harit Pradesh. If you have real GUTs ask for JAT Pradesh instead of Harit Pradesh, keeping the same boundaries as for Harit Pradesh.
3. That is it, one or two individuals cannot mean a community is poor or rich. But as you said they don't have any respect, treated like traitors, no body gives a dammm about their history. Well I did saw a serial The Great AKbar, I did see TajMahal (movie), I did see Mughal-e-azam. It does mean that people do give weightage to their history. Man we are poor and backward. What about YOU
? I never saw any serial "SURAJ MAHAL MAHAN SAMRAAT" or anything on that line.
Open your eyes, Muslims are NOT POOR. If you see some TELI Muslims in your village and say they are poor, traitor or deprived, you are wrong my dear. Visit places except "Bawli & Bagpat".
#4 :
I don't take Wikepedia and Jatland's urls as authentic proofs. I have better written, documented and verified proofs with me. My dear Vijay till 1813 British dare not fight with Landhora Kings. They never ever thought of and straight forward ran into "SANDHI". You are talking about British fighting in 1805 for the lohagarh fort, my dear till 1813 they didn't even dare look at us. After 1813 when the riyasat splitted, britishers tried to get hold of it, in 1822 we faught and kept on fighting. This is a well documented proof that we were never under Mughal or British rule till 1859. Mind it Mr. Vijay 1859. Go read some good books other than posts written by JATs like you.
#5:
Army. Good topic I was really happy to see whn you mentioned this. Do you know Forces have a back-door entry option. I describe it to you. If your father is/was in services you will get a fair chance to get into forces. When some castes were liking the soles of British Empire and they were in British Army, their kids also got a very-very fair opportunity. Same continued post independence.
Now about "cantonment office" in some JAT village. reason above supports the WHY and also let me tell you this is a tradition in your caste. Do you remember "Open Recruitment of JATs" in police force from Distt. Bagpat on behest of a JAT leader (I don't wish to mention the name). So this is a custom in your caste. This is what I call being OPPORTUNIST.
Now about Rajput regiment. Above quoted stands on well grounds for them as well.
Sikh Regiment. I will be highly greatful to you sir if you can please tell me, When did SIKH became a caste ? Please go and read SIKH history and you will come to know, why this clan originated, what was the purpose, how many Sikh Gurus were Gujjars. Please do read their History you will come to know a lot about them and us.
#6.
Regarding you village. I won't buy the story until you give me some names, years, gazetteer records. I respect all freedom fighters. Well do you know of "Dulle JAT" (Dileep Singh JAT) , he was from your area BAGPAT. You must be proud of Mr. Dulle JAT as well. This is what most of you, I am not saying all of you, are doing for years and years and years.
#7 : Regarding Harijan's, well BOSS in my area they are still very suppressed and expolited. May be in your JAT area they are in better shape. If you are saying they had a CM in U.P. Answer is they are united and we are not. Same stands for you, you are also very united.
You see sheeps are also very united but Lions are not. The day Lions will unite will be the end for all the sheeps. BEWARE, we are heading towards that day.
Vijay hamare yahan ek kahawat chalati hai :
" Ya to janamayo Bhakt, Ya Dani ya Shoor
Warana Rahiyo Banjh, kyon gawaye Noor"
Koyi Jaton ki bhi suna do except "Anpadh jaat padha sa, padha likha khuda sa", "jat mara tab janiyo jab terahi ho nibate"
Are haan ek aur hai, aakhir hamare liye sari achchi achchi kahawat kaise ho sakati hain "Gujjar se to Ujjad bhale". So mitra, Gujjaro se nahi ulajhana.
Regards
KPS Gujjar
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bhai ji ram ram
kps ji ko naye sal ki shubkamnaye baki yaar rahi baat obc ki to obc means or bade choudhary pehle jaat choudhary the ab or bade choudhary ho gaye hai samajh gaye aap