KPS Gujjar & Vijay Raj's Tark-Vitark-Kutark

[KPS Gujjar]

Vijay If you really wanna discuss anything with me come to this THREAD!!!

regards
KPS Gujjar

[Vijay Raj]

Hi Gobars

Some one on this website have mentioned that he knows me very well. I would request that person to pass on my Home address to all the gujjars so that all of them can come to my home and teach a lesson to me. Anyways that person is Ashok Harsana who has mentioned that by changing his identity. That is what a typical gujjar does.

Let me myself give you my address:

Father Name- Amar Singh
Village- Bawli, Disst Bagpat. U.P

[KPS Gujjar]

Dear Vijay Raj,
Well you seems to be a very BRAVE MAN !! You do have guts, you are challenging all of us to visit you and teach you a lesson. Why ? Vijay Raj, aap bahut khoobasoorati ke saath apane samaj ko represent kar rahe hain. Mere bahut JAT dost nahi hain, lekin kuch hain. Wo apani community ko represent nahi kar pa rahe honge shayad, isi liye main sochata tha ke JATs achche INSAAN hote hain. Aapake posts padh kar mera nazariya badal sa raha hai. JAT community as a whole ke bare mein nahi, balaki mujhe lag raha hai koi bhi samuday ya samaj perfect nahi ho sakata, har kahin aap jaise log hain.
Ek JAT family meri bahut close hai, wo Meerut ke paas ke hain, and they live pretty close to my place. They are three brothers and one sister. So in all we say we are FOUR brothers and THREE sisters. You gotta solve the puzzle, iff you are unable to understand HOW ?
Tau Ji (Their Father) expired some 5 years back, Now almost all imoprtant decissions in their family are taken with consideration of my father. We all respect each other not because we are GUJJARs and they are JATs but bcoz we are HUMAN BEINGS and we respect each other.
Jo insaan kisi doosare insaan ki MAA ki izzat nahi kar sakata ya kisi doosare insaan ki bahan ki IZZAT nahi kar sakata, wo apano ki bhi nahi kar sakata. Aur agar wo kahata hai ke wo karata hai, to wo JHOOTH bol raha hai. I have never seen or heard about any JAT so low at dignity that he ever had insulted anyone's mother or sister, or may be you and MAJHAY DA JAT are some exceptional class (Mind it I am talking about only you and him not your families, mujhe ek din oopar ja ke nazar neechi nahi karani hai)
What do you think you are getting out of all this ? Do you believe you are gonna become very famous or what ? Boss you are representing your whole community here, atleast in front of a bunch of guys. Hey Vijay do us all a favour, if you really got any guts, take PRINTOUTS of all you have written and show them to your mother/father/sister/brothers. Yaar ek GUJJAR tum se kuch mang raha hai please de zaroor dena.
Rahi baat challenge karane ki, Vijay ji I challenge you to :
-Go to Islamabad in Meerut and SAY A SINGLE WORD AGAINST THE WHOLE MOHAMMADEN COMMUNITY (God forgive me if in any way I offended any community)

-Go to any Valmiki Colony, in Meerut City and utter a single word against the Valmiki Community.(God forgive me if in any way I offended any community)

Vijay Raj, all this seems to be bull-shiiit, but do think about it. You are carrying the JAT community flag we all believe, did you ever do any good to your own community? Abusing, all of us on net is not gonna get
you any BRAVERY AWARD.
Respect is commanded not demanded, Shri. Vijay Raj ji. Don't do any favour to my community or any other community, do it for your own community. Atleast you will help a HUMAN BEING, go ahead SPONSOR a poor JAT Child'd Education, do something for the COMMUNITY.

Now onwards You will always find a reply from me to all your posts. You keep abusing (you are good at only abusing) and I will keep on suggesting what good you can do to your community. The day you will find a single abuse from my side I will accept DEFEAT !!!!
By the way, just for your general knowledge, I am not a very sophisticated, learned, intellectual GUJJAR, Main katai rupe ma solla aane wala gujjar hun, ar rahi baat maa ki ya dhee ki karane ki, to yo kaam mujha dher bura lage. Haan ek kaam karane main mujhe katai bar ni lagati, tawala itna karun ak agale ku sodhdhi bhi ni aati ar kaan guddi pachcha lag bhi jaan.
Aapane bahut are dignities ke naam ginaye hain ke wo JAT hain, waise aap kya hain. Aapaka apana kya Aastitwa hai ? Samajh mein koi aapake rishtedaro ya dosto ke alawa aapako janata bhi hai ?

Regards
KPS Gujjar

[Vijay Raj]

Hi Gujjars

Everybody knows that gujjars have totally f**ked up present. So to get some respect from other communities they have started relating themselves with Rajputs. Not only gujjars but jats and yadavs are one of the great Rajput tribes. British HistorianJames Tod uses this legend as a basis for speculating upon a scythian origin for the rajputs. He suggests that scythian tribes which invaded India in the 6th century AD and disappeared into the population soon afterwards were the forbears of present-day rajputs?. Tod classed the Jats as one of the great Rajput tribes. with Cunningham claiming the Rajput to belong to the original Aryan stock, and the Jats to be a late wave of immigrants from the northwest, probably of Scythian race and Jats are also from the Scythian origin Traditionally, every rajput must belong to one of 36 specific clans, Indeed Chauhan, Rathore and Solanki and Tanwar are Great gujjars clans but these are not the only clans Rajputs belong. Tomar, Gill, Dahiya Sirohi, Rajora, Nauhwar, Tokas and Rana are great Jats clans who joined Rajputs.

To cofirm please click on the hyperlink given below:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatt

In the link given below it is mentioned that ?Many tribes over the course of time became extinct because of war, or relocated to another location and changed their names. Traditionally, every rajput must belong to one of 36 specific clans. During the rule of the British, Lieutenant Colonel James Tod visited Rajasthan and attempted to write a definitive list of the 36 Rajput tribes. However, everyone that he spoke to gave him varying lists. It can thus be concluded that any caste or clan that had furnished warriors or was politically dominant in a particular region can justly call itself Rajput. James Tod uses this legend as a basis for speculating upon a scythian origin for the rajputs. He suggests that scythian tribes which invaded India in the 6th century AD and disappeared into the population soon afterwards were the forbears of present-day rajputs? and Jats are one of the Scinthian Tribe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rajputs

I would like to tell Gujjars that it does not matter what you think about your community, it matter what other think about your communities. Rajputs does not think the Gujjar way. They do not want to be called and associated with Gujjars or Jats. Than why are you beating the drums? Let me give you an eg: 80% of Muslims in India were Hindus at one point of time but it does not mean that all 80% Muslims respects Hindus. Most of the Muslims do not want to be associated with Hindu religion because Islam is totally different way of life. The same way in today?s world Rajputs and Gujjars live a totally different way of life. In modern India Rajputs are respected as warriors and gujjars are treated as Milkman, thief or smuggler or a pimp. Rajputs have proud present and you have totally f**ked present. This is the reason not only Rajputs every communities hates you and nobody want to associated with you.
A community is considered great when it socially and economically forward. Unfortunately Gujjars are backward in both areas. Rajputs are socially and economically forward than Gujjars. The Jat regions in India are among the most prosperous on a per-capita basis (Haryana, Punjab, and Gujarat are among the wealthiest of Indian provinces) mentioned in above link.
If you really want to be respected than stop relating yourself with the communinty who does not even give a nuts to it. On your webiste you always discuss about your past this clearly shows that you have f**ked up present. The moment you will start having a discussion on your achievements in present everybody will respect you. I mean that moment you start producing people like sehwag, Dharmendra, Kapil Dev, Ch Charan Singh, Devi Lal, Dara Singh people will stop thinking that you are a Milkman. If you want your self to be respected as warriors than have a Gujjars regiment Like Jat Regiment or Rajputs regiment.
Till the time you achieve this nobody will repect you and you will be treated as third grade citizen like Milkman or thiefs.

Chorra Jat Ka
Babaji Naam

[KPS Gujjar]

Dear Vijay Raj,
Here I am again replying to your message, as I promised and I will keep my word (being a GUJJAR).
I did a mistake some time back but I assume if you learn by mistakes you become a better human, and if you keep on repeating the same you are becoming worse. So I opted to get better.
I tell you a short story. We use to live in a township. My family is very considerate towards poors and animals. I need no appreciation for the same. There use to come a beggar, almost two/three times a week. He use to wear Dhoti, Kurta, Nehru Topi and Jootis. He use to talk in our own very dilect (Western UP).
We never asked him which caste he belongs to though he knew well about most of the villages in our area.
We always use to help him. One fine day my mother asked him what caste he belongs to bcoz we had an assumption that he might be a poor gujjar. First he was reluctant. His words "Gareeb ki koi jaat nahi hoti, jiske bachcho ne use ghar se nikaal diya ho, uski kya jaat aur kya khaandaan".
My mother insisted and told him what did she assume. He told "I am JAT, and my family still owns land and is doing well". This didn't change our attitude bcoz whatever he was, he was an old man in much of help. We don't see him anymore may be he expired. Don't you feel pitty on this old man. He might have died on road side, may be bcoz of Winter/Summer. Municipality might have taken care of his dead body in the so very usual way. I think he deserved decent last rights, being a human.
Vijay its not about being JAT/GUJJAR/RAJPUT I think it is more about being a HUMAN in first place. See what you get in return if you abuse. You are abusing other's sister and they are writing all stupidity about yours. Is this the way we treat our families.
Please don't take it otherwise, I am not saying that only JATs beg. If this is what you concluded I am SORRY my dear friend. God might show any one of us the days we dare not think of.
You termed us as criminals, its not only you who does. This is bcoz any gujjar do anything you will see a news ----- Gujjar did this and that. Don't JATs fare well in crime. You must have heard of Navneet Sikera.
What a gentleman police officer he is. He almost cleaned whole MuzaffarNagar belt. If you read India Today there was a story about him when he killed Nitu Kail, do you know which caste he belong to (nitu Kail).
You, me and all of us claims we are from a very glorious history. Answer my question "How did the human population came to this number ? Assume any number in the beginning and calculate, can they ever arrive to present day's number, having the social obligations and restrictions that we have today. You know well what I am talking about. We are improving as a society not as a community and we need to do so.
Again please refrain from using the names of big shots. They are because they did something. When you will achieve something in your life may be someone else will quote your name, but inorder to see that day, do something. Yes you can keep on doing what you are doing and one day you will die very ordinary death. Again handful of relatives will be there to perform your last rights. If someone will post a message on this forum that day I assume people won't be concerned.
Gujjars are milkman, well they are earning their livelihood. I know many people from your community giving us neck to neck competition in this bussiness.
In recent elections when Dharmendra contested the elections from bikaner, people from your community said loud and clear "He is not a JAT he is RAMGARHI". See every caste has subcastes you JATs won't accept KOLIs as JAT. Do you ? But as soon as any KOLI will become primeminister of India you will say "He is a JAT". What is this man ? Mentioning these names here won't add to your numbers but what will happen is people will start digging their roots and as soon as they will find anything fishy, they will say whatever crap they are capable of. You are the one who is earning disrespect to them.
These politicians are dividing us on the basis of region/caste etc etc. You being an educated youth of this country need to address or atleast understand all this below the belt politics.
Did you hear of a political party, came into existence recently "PARITRAN", they are IITians and committed to make a change in this system. Put your energy to better use.
My gut feeling says your father Sh. Amar Singh won't be prod of you being a very good ABUSER.
Rest depends on you, you are mature enough.

Regards
KPS Gujjar

[Vijay Raj]

Kps

Great to see your response. First of all it is not me who started abusing on this website. It is Ashok Harsana who started it and he is the one who has been doing all this nuts by changing his identities. Now let us come to your response.

You have said in your response that Dharmendra is not a Jat. Let me tell you that it was congress party who started this campaign against him during Bikaner election fearing of losing the election and keeping Jats away from Dharmendra. But Jats supported him and he won by huge margin. If he wouldn?t be a Jat, it was impossible for him to win a election from Bikaner. Also note that Dara Singh is the President of Jat Mahasabha and Dharmendra has served as president of the Jat Mahasabha in Mumbai.

Please read this from news from tribune India.

Jat Mahasabha supports Dharmendra

The spokesman of the All India Jat Mahasabha, Mr Tara Chand Mor, said that the Sabha will fully support Dharmendra, who is contesting from the Lok Saha election from Bikaner in Rajasthan. He has decried the false notion spread in some newspapers that Dharmendra does not belong to Jat community. Dharmendra is Jat of Punjab and has served as president of the Jat Mahasabha in Mumbai. He has brought glory to the name of his community by emerging as a superstar and in his capacity would work selflessly for the people of Bikaner, Mr Mor said.
To confirm the above please click on the hyperlink give below:
www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040428/ncr1.htm
To confirm that Dharmendra is Jat please click on the hyperlink give below:

www.indian-elections.com/keycontenders/dharmendra.html

www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040427/election.htm#4

Please check this link as well and see what Dharmendra recently said about being Jat

www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=30084

Please check what Esha Deol said after slapping to Amrita Rao

movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1404339,curpg-8.cms


Dear KPS- I have given you enough evidence to prove about Dharmendra and his family that he is a Jat. After reading your post I am assuming that you are in intelligent and educated person which is rare to find in your community. I do not talk anything until I have evidence to support it. I hope now your doubt about Dharmendra is clear for ever.




Now let us come to crime in WESTERN U.P

The most dreaded criminals of Western U.P have always been gujjars. List are give below:

1. Mahendra Fauji- Village Mevla Bhatti near Faruk Nagar
2. Satbir Gujjar- Village Mevla Bhatti near Faruk Nagar
3. Mahendra Bhati- MLA from Dadri
4. Ranpal Gujjar-
5. Madam Bhaiya- Village Jawli.
6. Naresh Bhati from Dadri

Most of the above criminals either killed by Gujjar or by a Jats COP like Inspector Rathi shot dead Satbeer Gujjar.

Yes you are right whenever gujjars commit a crime people talk a lot about it. The reason is that Gujjars only do crime they don?t do any other thing. I agree Jats are also big time in crime but jats are also Big time in Delhi Police, Army (Jat regiment), Sports, movies and politics. This is the reason people do not notice bad things about Jats. Jats have more positive things than negative. But tell me what else people can see in Gujjars when gujjars are only active in crime. This is the reason Gujjars have build up an image of being criminal community. To confirm go to any Police station in U.P and you will find that Gujjars are actullay written as a criminal communities in Police records.

Mr KPS- Let me give you one more eg. Indian cricket fans use to love Tendulkar because he was performing but the same crowd now hates him because he does not make runs or plays a match winning knock. Nobody cares what you have done in your past if you are not good in your present. All 35 test centuries does not help him getting his form or getting respect. To gain respect he has play hard. Today is the world of Dhoni, Sehwags, Kaif, Pathans and Raina.

No doubt gujjars have great history but that does not help them getting recognition or respect in today?s world. They have to prove them again so that people start respecting them otherwise people will keep calling you Milkman, thief or criminals.


Please feel free to respond as I love to have intelligent conversation.

Take Care

[KPS Gujjar]

Dear VijayRaj,
As I mentioned earlier I will always owe you a reply.
One :
Vijay ji, I didn't intend to say anything about/against Dharmendra. What I was telling you is "See what ever name you will take people will try to find out their loop-holes, loose-knots etc. All of them did something great in their life. Not even you and me, but all of us praise them for what they have achieved. They are national HEROs not community Heros."
If you wish even I can pull anyone's leg, out of the names you mentioned. But I say that will be a shame on me. Let me achieve something of their stature then may be I will eligible.

Two :
It is my earnest request, please do not quote politicians names. None of them are Heros. They are SHRUDE politicians nothing else. They are the one who should be held responsible for this disorientation of the Nation as a whole. Uttar Pradesh was the biggest state. Some started pulling one piece of it APART and they succeeded, now we have UTTRANCHAL, born out of U.P., some other are asking for HARIT-PRADESH. Come-on Vijay you are wise enogh to see what is happening. Please donot quote their names, even if they belong to any caste, I firmly believe they can even sell their PRIDE for glittering GOLD.

Three :
My dear friend. You better know why people are, what they are today. I am also standing by your side, that we GUJJARs cannot live on past glory. But you do admit at times that we had a glorious past. So when we had a glorious past what happened to us today. You brought Sachin's name in discussion. I must tell you one thing, "PUBLIC KABHI SOCH HI NAHI SAKATI HAI". Even if we had a separate brain for eyes, one for taste, one for smell, one for touch, one for locomotion etc etc our body would have been a mess. So, that is why we always nead a brain to make this apart body function, and we need governance.
Don't go by illiterate and JAHIL janta's opinion are you the one who hates Sachin Tendulkar ? I firmly believe "YOU ARE NOT". Reason is you know his past achievements and today because of 1000 reasons he is going through a bad time. We know his past, we accept his present and we wish like his past he will be in his FUTURE.
Vijay this is what we are trying to do on this forum. You cannot coin all of us with a single term, or don't like us because we are having a bad phase, you know our past and let us come to the terms of our past in our future. We all shall prevail and let BHARAT prevail like anything.

Four :
You said we are criminals. I will tell you later why we are criminals, if we are. Did you listen to the NEWS day before yesterday, One CRIMINAL is shot dead by delhi police. I don't want to quote him by caste, name etc. To which ever community he belongs to, now a days we are seeing that the CRIMINAL GRAPH of that very class is ascending. This is an ALARM. That community is degrading. This degradation is for no reasons, but we had a sound reason.
Question is why we are CRIMINALs or whatever ? Vijay ji the only problem with us GUJJARs is we don't know how to give-in & we are very proud of this trait of ours. We are still continuing with this hounour. We had a glorious past. With our descend came RAJPUTs. They made allies with Mughals we didn't, and we were deprived of our legacies. We kept on fighting (chhapamaar youdh), we refused to pay the taxes. We as a creed, were taken very well care of by Mughals, they never let us rest in peace. Then came British, as Rajputs told Mughals who we are, same was passed onto British by Mughals and what ever was left was also confiscated. So as usual we faught British and refused being taxed. We were declared NOTIFIED TRIBE. Which means this creed is notified to be criminals. Now you answer a few of my questions :
a) What means of earning a livlihood we were left with, when everything of ours was confiscated.
b) How could we go to schools when we were declared NOTIFIED.
c) How could our parents taught us, to whatever extend they were capable of, when almost all adult males were put behind the bars.
d) Had there been any crime, the first GUJJAR they could lay there hands on, was blamed and prosecuted.
Sir even after independence, we were deprived of our rights. What did we get only again labelled as DENOTIFIED TRIBE. Ha ha ha !!!! A new LABEL for us as a community as WHOLE. Some of us still had lands, then came the 1952 Zamindari-Act What the hack man !!!!
Vijay ji we are still struggling and with the same dignity and pride. We are trying to put our community and youths back on track. My Grandfather was illiterate, they were five brothers. He took the onus and educated next generation to his best capabilities. Five of my Taus retired as Head Masters, one of them retired from Sugar Mill Accounts Deptt, My father going to retire this year from BHEL. I am carrying forward the trend I am working in one of the best (best workculture/ best paying/ best ethics) MNC on the face of earth. I AM NOT A CRIMINAL, butlet me tell you very frankly "SAME BLOOD RUNS THROUGH MY VEINS,
If it is a matter of DIGINITY I can KILL with my bare hands, though to whatever extent I am civilized and educated. THIS IS IN OUR BLOOD.

Five:
Vijay I am requesting you again. You can never say you are better just by saying others are not good.
please do not quote Fauji, Satbeer etc names. You are a JAT and may have a very limited list I can fill a whole page on this forum with the names. You trigger a GUJJARs self-pride and you make him a CRIMINAL. My cousin threw a local CRIMINAL from the top of a running BUS, because he slapped the bus conductor and refused to pay the fare. I say he did the best and I don't call him Criminal nor did the COURT.
My cousins killed two COPs and seriously injured few more, just because they were trying to rob a poor man off his last belongings, my cousins intervened. Later at night at their attacked by the COPs and their friends. I am GLAD my cousins did that it is our duty towards society.
1824 we killed thousands or British/British soldiers and we are not even there in History. I am from that village. Irony is even those who did nothing are known as FREEDOM Fighters. I ask you what did Sardar. Kultaar Singh do in the fight for FREEDOM ? He as a kid at that time. Just because he is brother of Bhagat Singh. He was given plenty of land in Saharan Pur. Now a days he is selling Plots. People who testified Real Freedom Fighters in Jails became dignitories of India. Even we had such a Prime Minister.
See this way we not going to derive any conclusion. If you ask me I can tell you the story of Fauji, Satbeer, Jagata etc. Even I can tell you the story of your "Inspector Rathi shot dead Satbeer Gujjar " and I assure you, you won't be PROUD of what he did.


In order to make our community better. First we need to make them feel PROUD/AWARE of our GLORIOUS PAST, then make them PROUD of our presnet by telling them why we are in this SOUP today and still proud. I assure you we will have a GOLDEN FUTURE, because we haven't yet compromised our PRIDE/ DIGINITY.


Regards
KPS Gujjar

[KPS Gujjar]

Dear KPS

Thanks for your prompt response. I would also like to answer your response step by step.

1. I am glad to know that you accepted Dharmendra as Jat. Indeed they are national heros, but the most important thing in all the Jats who are National Heros is that they publically accept that they are Jats and being proud to be a Jat. By doing that they are making their community popular, which is good for Jats. I have not seen anything like that in Gujjars or we can say that in todays world gujjars do not have National Heros who can publically say that they are gujjar. However, gujjars do have criminals who put gujjar behind their names which gives negative popularity to gujjars.


2. I think you are right on not mentioning Political leader as heros and I will refrain using those name but here I would like to emphasize that Ch Charan Singh was in a totally different class so I will always use his name. As far as Harit Pradesh is concerned I think it is a good idea. UP is a big state having largest population in India. It is really impossible to manage such a huge state and also Western U.P is totally a different culture having the most fertile land. Look the progress Punjab and Haryana has done after they are divided and we are not talking about dividing the county it is just a state and division will help in better governance.


3. I think you did not understand my eg regarding tendulkar let me give you one more eg. Every body knows Muslims ruled India for 500 years and they have a great history, they defeated every Hindu kings and did what ever they wanted to do in India but what are the ground realities of Muslims in India. They are treated like traitors, they are poor, have no respect and no body give a nuts to their history. The reason is simple that their present is totally f**ked up. The same is the situation is with gujjars. You have great history but f**ked up present. Most of your population is poor, illetrate and backward. I do not see any difference in Muslims and Gujjars. I can send you the recent survey report of govt India. It was mentioned in the report that gujjars are more backward and poor than Muslims. Even Muslims have strong political existence unfortunately gujjars don?t even have that because gujjars do not have enough population to make the impact.

4. KPS Ji give me an honest answer, you have mentioned in your post that Gujjars have been mistreated and betrayed by Muslims, British and Rajputs and this the reason they are backward and poor. I hope you know that chamars and chudas have being going through this humiliation for ever, even than they have been able to fight back and have forced every upper community to recognize them. They are force to recognize and no body can mess with them. They have leaders like Mayawati to support them. Most importantly they are united. So please stop giving these illogical reasons which can only be given by a loser. This world has no time and place for losers. After Independence Govt took away Rajputs and Muslims land as well but they do not complain why only you guys complain. Do you think a real warrior would talk about it. KPS aap to iss tarah dikha rahe ho ki Hindustan mein sabse jayada gujron ka hi daman hua hai. Talk about cahamars unka exploitation to sabane kiya hai including gujron. Even than they have been able to earn respect for themselves.

5. And please stop giving me an eg that Satbeer and Fauji became criminal because of any specific cause. Any criminal or crime done by gujjar or jat cannot be justified by giving any logic. Tell me one thing agar gujjar itne hi bahadur hain too why don?t you guys get an Army regiment for you. It will definitely get you a respect and the status you have been looking for. You will not achieve anything by giving excuses on this website.


I apologize if some words have offended you, I was just trying to show you the reality. I am true JAT, I respect those who deserve respect and you deserve it.

Looking forward for your response.

Vijay

[KPS Gujjar]

ABOVE ONE WAS FROM VIJAY

Dear Vijay,
First let us do one thing "Keep the discussion on same THREAD".
So now I have pasted your reply to this thread, I ask you to please keep replying here. Now my replies :

1. Vijay Ji, please revisit my earlier reply and let me know where did I accepted/not accepted Dharmendra as a JAT. If you sincerely wish to know my opinion about Dharmendra as a Hindu Indian Male. I say, he is not a man of MORAL. In this day of light we Hindus do not encourage Polygamy. I had seen the interview where he was asked a queation "Whose name did you put in the "SPOUSE" column for application for contesting elections from Bikaner ?". He didn't reply and said "it is my personal matter".
I agree that might be his personal matter but we as a civilized community wish to know, what is his marital status in a society where we condemn polygamy.
To whatever caste he belongs whether JAT/Ramgarhi Badhai, I really don't think very high of him as a member of this society. If you really feel proud of him being a JAT, I pity you. You are educated and living in a civilized society where we follow some rules, if someone is not obeying a rule of such a high importance, I don't expect you to be proud of Him.
Next thing is He didn't become a film star bcoz he was a JAT (or whatever), Sahwag didn't became a goor player bcoz he was a JAT (a Very vlose friend of mine is JAT and he is really PISSED off with Sahwag, He also plays cricket and is a very good player, he is of Sahrawat Gotra).
These people achieved something because they are good at something, it is not because of their caste.
Late Sh. Rajesh Pilot was a good politician not bcoz he was GUJJAR because he had capabilities, my cousin is Mr. ASIA (bodybuilding) he is not Mr. ASIA bcoz he is Gujjar but because he worked hard, Mr. Pranav Singh is not ASIA Champion Armwrestling bcoz he was Gujjar because he worked for it.
So, let us not count on some big shots names and say the community is GREAT because they belong to that community. Any community accepts or rejects people based on their merits/de-merits. They are heroes of the Nation.
If some criminals are known because they are Gujjars there are those who are known because they were JATs. People do put Gujjar after their name in my community but not even a single example where people put JAT as their post-fix who belongs to your community, still they are known as Bhoori JAT, Deepak JAT etc.

2. Now let us discuss about Harit-Pradesh. Now we have Uttranchal (earlier part of U.P.), what is so great has happened in Uttranchal after becoming a separate state. Still people in Uttranchal are struggling for basic eminities. Farmers are struggling for better MANDIs, better rate for Sugarcane etc, others are asking for employment. Though quite a lot of industries from other states have migrated to Uttranchal. This is not because they love UTTARNCHAL this is because they are getting good profit when legally they can evade some taxes, that adds to their profit. Had U.P. put some policies in place for that region, industries would have come.
Had you ever been to Eastern U.P. ? If not please do visit and see what shape those cities are in compared to Western. Farmers are really in a BAD shape in Eastern U.P. So I can say with confidence that they are not eating into your share, these are politicians and beurocrats who are eating your share. So next time you go and vote, ask the candidates what are they gonna offer you and your area, instead of blindly following their ugly politics.
If you say small entities entitle to better governance, Why don't we split the state, in states on District basis. We will have smaller states and better governance. It is all about the model of governance not the area.
When in Free India, police is wearing the same uniform what they use to in British India, when still the mentality of police force is same that of British India i.e. torturing masses, extorting money (like they use to collect taxes), like when people die of their negligance and they try to give you wrong data of casualities (Meerut) isn't it same like in Jaliawala Bag massacre govt figures 379 while 1000s died. Till we have this model of governance we wil keep on suffering may it be U.P. or Harit-Pradesh.

3. Who said Muslims are poor ? Ask the Muslim politician who spent 5 crores on the Engagement ceremony of his daughter. You said Muslims are traitors, what about JAT muslims ? Boss if you know you are also a foreign race who occupied this subcontinent. On these basis all of us are Traitors or what so ever. Who ever is living in this country and loyal to the mother land is not a TRAITOR.
Sir, Presidnt of India is a Muslim !!!! They are not same as they were because they are reluctant to change.
I ask you a question. You must be knowing of Maharana Pratap, When he died and Moughals captured Chittor his family (whatever left) pledged not to live in a Chittor Ruled by Moughals and will only return when they have their Chittor with the dignity and till date they are roaming in India and living by roadside. Their condition is well known to all of US. What are your remarks about them.
for you they must be FOOLS, ruining their present for some odd MATTER of PRIDE. This is the difference between you and US. I have a key word to coin you and your CLAN i.e. "OPPORTUNIST". Vijay ji had we been opportunist like you we would have been in better situation than you.
Who ever had a GLORIOUS PAST tells about their achievements in past and also the MORALS, VALUES and PRIDE they are carrying in their blood.

4. Vijay ji when did I say "Gujjars have been betrayed by Muslims, British and Rajputs". There is no point of betrayl. We never asked for any loyalty from them. We lost the rule to Muslims and Rajputs because Rajputs (some) helped Muslims in doing so. Mughals lost to British because Rajputs(some) helped British. We never accepted Mughal/ British rule. We wre not OPPORTUNISTS so we are paying the price till date with DIGNITY.
For your kind information, Landhora Riyasat and Kunja-Bhagawanpur Riyasat were taken over by British only in 1859, both are Gujjar Riyasats and very close to your home town. Even people from your area use to pay Mal-Guzari to kunja-Bhagawanpur Riyasat.
Vijay dear, how did you arrive at the conclusion that we are going through any humiliation By the way I am still proud that 156 people from my village were "Hanged by neck till Death" ona single day and still we didn't give-in to Bitish rule, tell me one JAT village with same HISTORY. This is what I call proud of being what we did and in whatever situation we are today bcoz of what we did.
Vijay ji Losers don't talk about DIGNITY and PRIDE, but we do. I have told you and I am telling you, this PRIDE and DIGNITY will take us back to where we were. Time will speak for itself, Vijay Bhai.

5. Why don't we have any regiment in our name ? Good Question. My answer is "We were never and will never be OPPORTUNISTS, like others who have regiments in their name"
Yaar Vijay, How do you read in between lines. I never said any criminal became criminal for any cause good to the community. They all have their own reasons and CRIMINALS are CRIMINALS. Every one reaps what he sows.


regards
KPS Gujjar

[Vijay Raj]

KPS

Great to see your response. Honestly I liked your response where you have mentioned

?These people achieved something because they are good at something; it is not because of their caste?

I agree with that and would stop taking names of great Jats from now onwards however I would also expect you to stop talking name of Sardar Patel or all the past gujjar Kings because they were also individuals and they are not popular because they were gujjars. As far as your comment that a Jat friend of your hates Sehwag it does not make any sense because Shewag is just a player not a god, it is not mandatory that every body should love him or respect him. I can give you tons of eg where gujjar hates another gujjar. One gujjar killed another gujjars. I hope you know that Mahendra Bhati was killed by Mahendra Fuaji. Let me give you one more eg. There is a village called Rajpur in Distt Ghaziabad near Faruknagar. Rajpur is just next to Jawli (Madan Bahiya Village) In Rajpur there were two real brothers Satte and Krishan. Krishan was shot dead by Satte in front of his parents. So please do not make a big deal of Sehwag.

2. As far as Harit Pradesh is concerned, let us not discuss about it because your or gujjars participation in this would not make a difference. This is majorly demanded by Jats, Yadavs and Muslims because we Jats hold the most fertile and the maximum land of Western U.P. Jats and Muslims form the major part of the Western U.P population. Gujjars are the minority community in UP and will remain minority population in Harit Pradesh as well. Harit Pradesh make lots of sense to Jats as Jats grow the maximum Sugarcane in Western U.P. So honestly let us not discuss about it. Yeh demand minority communities ki samajh mein nahin aayegi. It is just the same Gujjars and Jats both got the OBC status but it is only Jats who got the maximum benefit out of it because Jats have more educated popualtion than gujjars. Jats got most of the govt jobs. Same is happening in Rajasthan where everybody is concerned about Jats as jats have taken away most of Govt job in Rajasthan.

Please do read the linen given below:

?There are 269 OBC castes across Rajasthan, yet the benefits go to the Jats simply because of these reservations," says Manch Vice-President Mishra. "In the most recent recruitment drive for the Rajasthan Administrative Service a couple of years ago, 85 seats were reserved for OBCs and 79 of these were bagged by the Jats. Six pradhan (district heads) seats were reserved for OBCs; all were taken by Jats. Of the 105 sub-inspector (of police) posts reserved for OBCs, Jats got 104 of them. What will happen to the other OBCs for whom reservations were actually created?"

To confirm the above click on the hyper link given below:

ia.rediff.com/election/2003/nov/27akd.htm


3. I do not understand on what basis you consider a community is poor or rich. If one or two Muslims are rich it does not mean the whole community is rich. I hope you know that majority of the Muslims lives under the poverty line.




4. Now let us answer your last comment about Gujjar Riyasat.

You have mentioned that Landhora Riyasat and Kunja-Bhagawanpur Riyasat were gujjars riyasat. What is difference does that make. All these riyasat were once ruled by Jat Maharaja Suraj Mal. So every gujjars staying in Raja Suraj Mal kingdom was paying tax to him.

To confirm about Suraj Mal, jats struggle against Muslims and British and also about Jat Kngdom please click on the hyper link given below:

www.jatland.com/home/Maharaja_Suraj_Mal

I have pasted some line from the original post about Jat kingdoms

?Please note that Maharaja Suraj Mal. Mal, described as the "Plato of Jat tribes" and "Jat's Ulysses", extended his kingdom to include Agra, Mathura, Dholpur, Mainpuri, Hathras, Aligarh, Etawah, Meerut, Rohtak, Farrukhnagar, Mewat, Rewari and Gurgaon. He was described as the greatest warrior and the ablest statesman that the Jats had ever produced. He moved the capital from Deeg to Bharatpur after 1733. Great Rustam, a Jat king of the Sogariya clan, laid the foundation of the modern city of Bharatpur?

To cofirm the above please click on the hyperlink given belwo and read the history column:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat

I hope you also know that Distt Ghaziabad and Bagpat are made of Disst Merrut. Now tell me all the above distt have good gujjar population it means all gujjars were paying tax to jat raja and I am not talking nuts I have given you the proof of whatever I am saying.

Also note that British were defeated by Jats of Bharatpur and British had to do compromise with Baharatpur. Bristish lost almost 3000 soldier in that battle. To help you more I have pasted line from the original post, please read below:

?The inaccessible Lohagarh fort could withstand repeated attacks of British forces led by Lord Lake in 1805 when they laid siege for over six weeks. Having lost over 3000 soldiers, the British forces had to retreat and strike a compromise with the Bharatpur ruler. Of the two gates in the fort, one in the north is known as Ashtdhaatu (eight metalled) gate while the one facing the south is called Chowburja (four-pillared) gate.?

To confirm please click on the hyperlink given below.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharaja_Suraj_Mal


As far as brave Jat villages are concerned let me give you only one eg, you might have heard about a famous Jat village Shaidpur in distt bulandshahar. It is the only village in entire U.P who lost maximum soldier during 1971 India Pak war. This is 100% Jat population village having sirohi gotra. After 1971 war Indira Gandhi made a special visit to this village to pay her tribute to brave soldier and their families. Does that make any sense to you. KPS ji kuan ke madak mat bano apni duniya se bahar aao. I would request you to visit this village and you will see that names of the brave soldiers on the big stone which was inaugurated by Indira Gandhi. Infact Birtish had and Indian army has a cantonment office in this village to recruit Jats in the army. Does that make any sense to you? How many gujjar villages have Indian army cantonment office. What ever I have said I can provide you evidence if you don?t believe me visit village shaidpur. As far as freedom fighter are concerned come to my village and ask anyone 463 people were arrested by British out of which 213 were hanged, 135 were sent to kala pani and 115 were jailed. If you do not believe come to my village you will know the story.


As far as your regiment is concerned, yes it is true gujjars are not opportunist. It is only Jats or Rajputs or Sikh who always look for an opportunity to die for their country. We would like each and every opportunity to come to us so that we can die for your country.

KPS ji Fauj main bahrti hoone ki opportunity mardon ko di jaati hai hizdon ko nahin. If you are not opportunist than why are Gujjars shouting now to have their regiment.

You have not responded to my previous post question, why Chamars despite being exploited by each and every community are in a better situation than you.

Looking forward for your response.

Vijay

[KPS Gujjar]

Hello Vijay,
Hope you are doing fine and sound in all respects.
#1. I am glad that now both of us agreed "Not to mention any names, no BIG SHOTS".

#2. Harit Pradesh : Vijay both of us have different opinion on this subject. But I will still insist that area does not matter, what matters is model of governance. Please read some good books on Pub. Ad.
Vijay I would really love to see the numbers, percentage wise contribution of Gujjars, Jats in western India. Please donot quote anything just out of your own brain. Hey please let us also know "Kaun se number ka ganna laga rahe hain JAT aaj kal? aur kab se JAT ganne ke sabse bade utpadak ho gaye?".
Well my mama was Director Sugarcane Research & was posted in Hisar, Karnal and Yamuna Nagar (your State). I know very well about the Sugarcane Production trends in India.
"Bhai mere GANNA kisi jati ki jageer nahi hai". Please don't mind but really you made me lbrust into laughter !!! Thanks a lot BUDDY!!! Keep on cracking these kinda JOKES!!! LOL !!!
Let us come to the other point. Boss in U.P. Yadavs are the one who are getting most out of OBC reservation. Let me tell u one more thing " Yaar tum sabse jyada ganna ugate ho (ha ha ha), tum sab se jyada bahadur ho, tum sab se jyada intelligent ho, to bhai ye OBC reservation ki zaroorat tumhe kyon pad rahi hai?". This is why I call JATs OPPORTUNIST. For your kind information, When I was doing B.Tech there was only a single JAT in whole college . Total strength comprising of four years was 800.
Oh my God !!! Now I am able to understand why you are asking for Harit Pradesh, what a dumb I am yaar. OK you guys will first make Harit Pradesh, then you will put yourself into OBC category derive maximum benefit out of it, and also you will make a world record of SUGAR CANE Production in Harit Pradesh. If you have real GUTs ask for JAT Pradesh instead of Harit Pradesh, keeping the same boundaries as for Harit Pradesh.

3. That is it, one or two individuals cannot mean a community is poor or rich. But as you said they don't have any respect, treated like traitors, no body gives a dammm about their history. Well I did saw a serial The Great AKbar, I did see TajMahal (movie), I did see Mughal-e-azam. It does mean that people do give weightage to their history. Man we are poor and backward. What about YOU ? I never saw any serial "SURAJ MAHAL MAHAN SAMRAAT" or anything on that line.
Open your eyes, Muslims are NOT POOR. If you see some TELI Muslims in your village and say they are poor, traitor or deprived, you are wrong my dear. Visit places except "Bawli & Bagpat".

#4 :
I don't take Wikepedia and Jatland's urls as authentic proofs. I have better written, documented and verified proofs with me. My dear Vijay till 1813 British dare not fight with Landhora Kings. They never ever thought of and straight forward ran into "SANDHI". You are talking about British fighting in 1805 for the lohagarh fort, my dear till 1813 they didn't even dare look at us. After 1813 when the riyasat splitted, britishers tried to get hold of it, in 1822 we faught and kept on fighting. This is a well documented proof that we were never under Mughal or British rule till 1859. Mind it Mr. Vijay 1859. Go read some good books other than posts written by JATs like you.
#5:
Army. Good topic I was really happy to see whn you mentioned this. Do you know Forces have a back-door entry option. I describe it to you. If your father is/was in services you will get a fair chance to get into forces. When some castes were liking the soles of British Empire and they were in British Army, their kids also got a very-very fair opportunity. Same continued post independence.
Now about "cantonment office" in some JAT village. reason above supports the WHY and also let me tell you this is a tradition in your caste. Do you remember "Open Recruitment of JATs" in police force from Distt. Bagpat on behest of a JAT leader (I don't wish to mention the name). So this is a custom in your caste. This is what I call being OPPORTUNIST.
Now about Rajput regiment. Above quoted stands on well grounds for them as well.
Sikh Regiment. I will be highly greatful to you sir if you can please tell me, When did SIKH became a caste ? Please go and read SIKH history and you will come to know, why this clan originated, what was the purpose, how many Sikh Gurus were Gujjars. Please do read their History you will come to know a lot about them and us.
#6.
Regarding you village. I won't buy the story until you give me some names, years, gazetteer records. I respect all freedom fighters. Well do you know of "Dulle JAT" (Dileep Singh JAT) , he was from your area BAGPAT. You must be proud of Mr. Dulle JAT as well. This is what most of you, I am not saying all of you, are doing for years and years and years.

#7 : Regarding Harijan's, well BOSS in my area they are still very suppressed and expolited. May be in your JAT area they are in better shape. If you are saying they had a CM in U.P. Answer is they are united and we are not. Same stands for you, you are also very united.
You see sheeps are also very united but Lions are not. The day Lions will unite will be the end for all the sheeps. BEWARE, we are heading towards that day.

Vijay hamare yahan ek kahawat chalati hai :
" Ya to janamayo Bhakt, Ya Dani ya Shoor
Warana Rahiyo Banjh, kyon gawaye Noor"

Koyi Jaton ki bhi suna do except "Anpadh jaat padha sa, padha likha khuda sa", "jat mara tab janiyo jab terahi ho nibate"

Are haan ek aur hai, aakhir hamare liye sari achchi achchi kahawat kaise ho sakati hain "Gujjar se to Ujjad bhale". So mitra, Gujjaro se nahi ulajhana.
Regards
KPS Gujjar

[KPS Gujjar]

Hey Vijay,
Read your replies. They are good and funny !!!
Well as I always said I owe you a reply, but now there is a precondition. I owe reply only to one who deserves.
You will deserve it only when you stop flooding the forum with messages. Hey don't take me wrong I am concerned about only replies to my messages. So Boss !!!! If you really wish to have this healthy discussion going on, you will have to reply only on this thread.
Till now I did it for you now you paste all your yesterday's replies to this thread only. If you do so I will reply otherwise, you are a free soul, may assume whatever you wish to.
Again for your reference :
1. Replies to my messages only on this very thread.
2. No duplication of messages (related to me) on the Gujjar forum .

Aapane galat likha sir, aap log to pahale se hi padhe likhe hain, kahana to mujhe chahiye "Mr. VIJAY aapaka pala aapase JYADA padhe likhe GUJJAR se pada hai"

Regards
KPS Gujjar

[vijayraj]

KPS JI

Ab to sara response maine ek post mein daal diya hai. Kindly responsd.

This is really coming to conclusion about Gujjars. In this response I have tried to show you ground realities of Jats and Gujjars and also proof of Jat producing maximum Sugarcane. In next post I will put response of your other doubts.

1. We are already set on Harit Pradesh. It is after all not for minorities.

2. As far as contribution of Jats and Gujjars is concerned I have not doubt that Jats are at much higher position than Gujjars. If you feel Gujjars have contributed more than Jats please provide evidence. It is not me who bring anything just out of own brain it is actually you, if not than provide me the evidence that 186 people were hanged from your village. Whatever I have said I have always provide you the evidence but you only talk by yourself which does not make any difference in this world.

3. Now let us come to Sugarcane. Let us first talk about Western U.P. Major Sugarcane producing Distt in Western U.P are Agra, Mathura, Aligarh, Bulandsahar, Merrut, Ghaziabad, Bagpat, Muzafarnagar and Bijnore. I will talk about every distt step by step. There is a simple common sense that if in a particular distt gujjar population and gujjar villages are more than Jats than obviously Gujjar will grow more sugarcane or any other farming products and vice versa as well. Let us first talk about Agra

Agra Distt- It is densely populated by Jats. Out 10 MLA seats in Distt Agra. 5 MLA’s t are Jats and most of them are from RLD party which is Jat party. List is given below:

a) Sh. Chotey Lal Verma- MLA Fatehabad- Phone No- 2230387
b) Sh. Ganga Prasad Pushkar- MLA party RLD consti Etmadpur- Phone- 2332189
c) Chaudhary Baboo Lal- MLA party RLD constituenct Fatepur Sikri- Phone- 2110210
d) Amar Singh Parmar- MLA from RLD constituency Kheragurh
e) Sh. Raja Mahendra Aridaman Singh MLA from BAH


Now let us come to MP. MP from Agra Raj Babbar is Muslim Jat.

Now let us come to Mayor and Zila Panchayat Chariperson, they both are Jats names are given below:

a) Smt. Prem Lata Parmar- Zila Parishad Chairperson- Phone-354493
b) Sh. Kishori Lal Mahor- Mayor- Phone- 363065

To confirm all above please click on the hyperlink given below:

agra.nic.in/elect.htm

I have also provided the contact number of all the MP’s and MLA please feel free to confirm. Gujjars existence in Agra in nearly zero so there is no point they can grow more Sugracane than Jats. And everybody in India knows that Jat are big time in farming. Jats hold maximum and most fertile land in India including Western U.P.

Mathura: Mathura has 6 MLA seats and out of those 6 MLA’s 3 are Jats from RLD (Jat Party) Details are given below:
1. Sh. Tejpal Singh( MLA from RLD party constituency Chatta
2. Sh. Prem Singh Daroga (MLA from RLD party constituency Gokul)
3. Sh Pratap Chaudhary (MLA RLD party constituency Sadabad)

To cofirm all above please click on the hyperlink given below:

mathura.nic.in/poltical.htm

Mathura has given 3 times Tejveer Singh as a JAT from BJP, Also note that Jat population in Mathura is 3.5 lakh nearly 30 % out of 14 lakh, total population of Mathura.

To confirm please clink on hyperlink given below:

www.dailypioneer.com/vote_2004_2.asp?main_variable=vote_2004&file_name=vote317.txt&counter_img=317

Aligarh: Out 7 MLA seats, Jat have 2 MLA names Sh. Mahendra Singh (BSP), Sh. Jaivir Singh, it would have been 3 but RLD candidate from Khair lost by very less margin because 3 jat candidates were contesting. T

o confirm about Jat MLA please click on the hyper link give below:

aligarh.nic.in/mp.htm

MP from Aligarh Chaudhry Bijendra Singh is Jat from INC to confirm please click on the hyperlink given below:

www.telegraphindia.com/1051213/asp/frontpage/story_5593956.asp

Bulandshahar: - It is densely populated by Jats, Lodh, Yadav and Muslims. It has one MP seat and 9 MLA seats. MLA seats are as follows:

1. Bulandshahar- MLA is Mahendra Yadav from BJP. Yadav’s have 24 villages in this constituency. It has a mixed population of Muslim, Yadavs and Jats. One of the largest JAT village Bhatona near Gulaoti having population of 25,000 comes is in this constituency. D.P Yadav has won election 2 times from the same seat
2. Agota- MLA is Kiran Pal Singh (SP) He is Jat having Sirohi gotra from village Dhameda. Agota has 80% Jats. In the history of Agota politics no non Jat has become a MLA. This constituency have 2nd largest village of Jats which is Saidpur and Saidpur has a population of 35000 and all are Sirohi Jats.
3. Anoopshahar- MLA is Hosiar Singh (Independent) He is a Jat from village Suratgarh and Post Malakpur. His gortra is Rajora. Anoopshahar is densely populated by Jats as it has some of the largest Jat villages like Charora (Population 18000), Khalor (Population 28000) and Khadana (population 15000)
.4. Shikarpur- MLA is Munsilal Gautam. He is Chamar resident of Tulsi Market near Kala Aam. It is a reserve constituency but 59% Jat population. This has always been Ch Charan Singh seat but to weaken Ch Sahab support in U.P Indira Gandhi made it a reserve constituency.
5. Siyana- MLA is Sunder Singh (RLD) He is Lodha from Devipura. It has mixed population of Muslim, Tyagi and Lodh.
6. Sikandrabad- Ved Ram Bhati. He is a Gujjar from Village Girdharpur and Post Gurkul. It is indeed a Gujjar dominated constituency.
7. Debai- MLA is Rajveer Singh (BSP)Village Madhauli Nisfi Asharfabad and Post is Khas. He is a Jat and his gotra is Tewatia.
8. Jevar- MLA is Narendra Kumar from BSP. He is Chamar from Village & Post Mangrauli, Tehsil Jevar.
9. Khurja- MLA is Anil Kumar Sharma from BSP. He is a Pandit from Village and Post Surjawali.
All other eg clearly proves that it a Jat dominated constituency as Jat has 3 MLA from Bulandshahar and Gujjars have one. It could have been 4 Jat MLA if Shikarpur would not be the reserve constituency. However MLA from Shikarpur is from RLD which is JAT party.

Now let us come to MP seat of Bulandshahar- Please note that it is not a reserve constituency. Bulandshahar has so far seen 14 MP elections and out of these 14 elections seven times it has given a JAT MP and their names are as under:

1. Surendra Pal Singh- He is from Unchagaon Distt Bulandshar.. He belongs to a royal family of Jats from Unchagaon. He has his own fort in Unchagaon near Jhangirabad 40 KM from Bulandshahar City. He owns atleast 1200 Bighas land in Bulandshahar. Ask anybody from Bulandshahar he will tell you about him. He was married to daughter of Jat Raja from Bharatpur. He has won MP election 4 times from Distt Bulandshahr. He won in 1962, 1967, 1971 and 1984.

2. Ch Chatrapal Singh- He has been MP from Bulandshahar 3 times in 1991, 1996 and 1998. He is also a Jat from Agota Bulandshahar. His gotra is tewatia.
To confirm, please click on the hyperlink given below, you will find the names of all MP’s from Bulandshahar.

Scroll left hand side scroll bar and click on the MP.

bulandshahar.nic.in/

The current MP from Bulandshahar is Kalyan Singh from Lodha community. He won by a very close margin of 10 thousand votes from Badrul Hasan (candidate of Jat party RLD) In the history of Bulandsahar not even once a Gujjar has become a MP and it is pretty clear that it is not a reserve constituency. All the above data clearly shows that Bulandshahar is not Gujjar dominated constituency.

Also gujjar has only one MLA and JATS have 3 MLA. Only a DUMB would say that it is gujjar dominated constituency.

Also recently on Jan 7, 2006, Distt Bulandshahar went for Zila Panchayat election on 46 Seats. Results came very good for RLD (Jat Party) as 18 candidates won from RLD out 46 and because of this Savita Singh is elected as the Chairman of the Zila Panchat. Savita Singh won Zila Panchayat on RLD ticket. She is Jatni from village Mumrejpur near Khurja in Distt Bulandshahar. Anybody who knows the politics is well aware that the Zila Panchayat chairman is as powerful as the MP. The Chairman get Red Light Car and DM of the district is the secretary of the chairman. Now you tell me a distt is called dominated by a community who has given 7 MP’s so far or a community who has given ZERO MP. Appointment of Savita Singh (RLD) as Chairman of Zila Panchayat clearly shows Jat power in Bulandshahar. So far Jat has given 6 Chairman of Zila panchyat. I can provide the details if needed.

Meerut- It is dominated by Muslim, Jats and Gujjars. Infact after recognizing Jat power Mulayam changed the name of Merrut Univ to Ch Charan University. Please note not even a single MLA from Meerut is Jat or gujjar. In fact Ranvindra Pundir MLA from Sardhana is Rajput. However RLD Jat party has one MLA from Siwalkhas constituency.

Bagpat- This distt has 3 MLA from RLD (Jat Party) All 3 constituency Bagpat, Baranawa, Chaprauli has RLD MLA.

Distt Muzafarnagar:- Muzafarnagar- It is densely populated by Jats and Muslims. Muzafarnagar has always been the centre point of all the famers protests and revolution. Mahendra Singh Tikait (JAT) belongs to this district. It has 2 MP seats and 9 MLA seats. MLA seats are as follows:

1. Kandhla- MLA is Ch Virendra Singh from (RLD). This constituency is called Garh of JATS. Nearly 75% of the population is JAT in Kandhla. Ch Virendra Singh belongs to JASALA village Distt Muzarfanagar. His gotra is RATHI.
2. Khatuli- MLA is Rajpal Singh Baliyan from (RLD)) He is Jat from village Garinabad Distt Muzafarnagar. Please note that Baliyan gotra has 84 villages in this constituency. Mahendra Singh Tikait is Chaudhry of the Baliyan KHAP in Muzafarnagar.
3. Bagra- MLA is Paramjeet Malik from (RLD). This seat got vacant after Anuradha Chaudhry won MP, Lok Sabha election from Kairana. Anuradha earlier was MLA from the same seat. After Anuradha this seat went again for election Paramjeet Malik won it from RLD ticket (JAT PARTY)
4. Jansath- MLA is Yashwant Singh from (RLD). He is Jat from village Chudiyala distt Muzafarnagar. His gotra is Nehra.
5. Morna- MLA is Rajpal Saini from (BSP) He is Dheemar from Sarwat Gaon -6 distt Muzarfanagar.
6. Muzarfanagar (City)- MLA is Chitranjan Swaroop from (SP). He is a Bania and resident of H.NO-197 North Civil lane Muzarfarnagar U.P
7. Charthawal- MLA is Uma Kiran from (SP). She is Chamar from Halwayian Chauhatta distt Muzarfanagar and it is a reserve constituency.
8. Kairana- MLA Hukum Singh from BJP. He is only gujjar MLA from Distt Muzarfarnagar. He is the resident of H.No 107 Alkala, Kairana U.P
9. Thana Bhawan- MLA is Kiran Pal Kashyap from SP. He is Kashyap resident of Dheemanpura -2 Majra Road, Shamli Distt Muzarfanagar.,

To confirm the all above, please click on the hyperlink given below:

muzaffarnagar.nic.in/pubrep.htm

Gujjar have only one MLA whereas Jats have 4 MLA’s. Not only Jats dominates the above 4 Assembly seats they also make significant impact on 3 other Assembly seats like Charthawal, Kairana and Thana Bhawan. This is the only reason Samajwadi Party (SP) made an alliance with RLD (JAT Party) to compromise on seats.

Now let us come to MP seat of Distt Muzarfanagar. Muzafarnagar Distt have 2 MP seats Muzafarnagar and Kairana. Please note that none of them is a reserve constituency. From Muzafarnagar MP is Ch Munawar Hasan from SP. This seat was under joint election of SP and RLD.

From Kairana MP is Anuradha Chaudhry from RLD. Anuradha is Jatni everybody knows it.
Also note that from Muzafarnagar Distt we have a Member Parliament of Rajya Sabha as well. His name is Harinder Malik. He is from Village Kazi Khera, Distt. Muzaffarnagar (Uttar Pradesh)
Please note that Muzarfanagar is totally a JAT and MUSLIM dominated district. They all together form 70% of the total population.

To enhance your knowledge about Muzarfanagar prominent personalities click on the hyper link given below:

muzaffarnagar.nic.in/prominent.htm

Out of 3 personalities Mahendra Tikait and Virender Singh both are JATS

KPS ji- I have provided all the details which clearly proves that all Sugarcane belt of Wetern U.P is dominated by Jat or Muslims. You do not need an Einstein to understand that if Jats are in majority in these distt and they have the most fertile and the maximum land it is obvious that Jats grow the maximum Sugarcane in these distt.

Please find hereunder the hyperlink about Jats holding maximum land in Muzarfanagar. For your kind information this link is not from Jatland or Wikepedia. To help you I have posted the line from the news.

“Kukda, located 5 kilometres from Muzaffarnagar town, is a large village with a sizable Muslim population. In fact, the Muslim population in Muzaffarnagar district is supposed to average between 35 and 40 per cent though some would optimistically put it at 50 per cent. This is part of the sugarcane belt in western Uttar Pradesh. Land ownership is concentrated mainly among the Jats. A few upper-caste groups and fewer Muslims own land. The large majority of Dalits, Maalis and Muslims work as agricultural labour. Sugarcane is grown almost throughout the year, and given the ample supply of canal water, the crop is assured and the owners devote their time to activities that people say have resulted in a high rate of crime in the region. The area is sometimes referred to along with Meerut, Saharanpur, Bulandshahr and Ghaziabad as the "Wild West".

To confirm above click

www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2215/stories/20050729006512100.htm

Now let us come to Gujjar dominated areas in Western U.P. Gujjar mainly dominated Dadri Belt and Khekra in Distt Ghaziabad and Mawana in Distt Meerut and also some parts in Muzarfarnagar.

I hope you know that Dadri belt land is not conducive for Sugarcane because it is near to Yamuna land is very Retili. And Khekra also is not a fertile area for Sugarcane.
However in Mawana and Muzafarnagar Gujjar do grow lots of Sugarcane which is peanuts in front of Jat production in whole Western U.P

Some more link of what other think about Jats and this link is not also from Jatland

kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/clusters/8083.html

I have already provided the proof in my above response that The Jat regions in India are among the most prosperous on a per-capita basis (Haryana, Punjab, and Gujarat are among the wealthiest of Indian provinces).

It is only Jats who always raises issues about Sugarcane because we are first to be affected by low price., Jat leaders like Mahendra Singh Tikait take rally for Sugarcane farmers.. Now I would like to see a response from you. About Gujjar MLA’ or MP in Western UP or Gujjar population in WesternU.P. Let me tell you total population of Jats in Western U.P is 2,964,000 and Gujjars is 1,075,000

To confirm Gujjar population U.P and India please clink on hyperlink

www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php

KPS Ji App sirk bolte ho koi proof kabhi nahin provide karte. Please respond the way I have responded than I would believe you. All the information I have provided above is not from Wikepedia or Jatland. Now I would also like to see the response like this not a response what you think.

JAT GANDA NA DEVE BHEELI DEVE HAI


Now let us come on the Movies on Raja Sural Mal. It is true that there is no movie on Raja Sural Mal but KPS JI Kya gujjar king per koi Movie bani hai.

To know more about Jats and Suraj Mal please click on the hyper link given below, also note that this is not from Jatland or Wikepedia.

www.indiasite.com/rajasthan/bharatpur/history.html

I have pasted one incident from the above link

“Obviously the Jats were always trying to assert their supremacy over other fellow human beings. Once what happened was that a maharaja of Bharatpur was snubbed by an insolent young Rolls Royce salesman. It hurt the Jat's pride immensely, and to counter that, he brought a whole fleet of Rolls Royces. and guess what he did with them? He made them Bharatpur's garbage collecting vehicles!”

KPS JI padha, yuu hoo Jaat.

Now let us come to Army. Sir now you are really acting like bad looser. Aapke mutabik in whole India the Indian Army mein sab sifarish se hi jaate hain.

Aapke mutabik Jat, Rajput, Sikh, Gorkha sab fauj mein sifarish ki wajah se hain. Tell me one thing jab ye hi community ke log jung mein jaan dete hain tab aapki sifarish ka logic kahan chala jaat hai.

Sir I think you do not read whatever you right. You have always said that most of the Rajputs are gujjars than again you are saying here that Rajputs are opportunist. Than by default it proves that Gujjars are opportunist because as per your previous comments most of the rajputs are gujjars.
Sir agar Prithvi Raj Cahuhan ko aap Gujjar kehte ho phir Jai Chand ko bhi gujjar kaho. I hope you know Jaichand is the biggest traitor. Ye to koi baat nahin hui jab rajput accha Karen to who gujjar hain jab who fauj mein jaaye to woh opportunist hain.

Sir apne funde clear kar lo.

Now let us come to Chamars or Harizans. You have said that in your area they are still exploited you are right even in my area they are exploited. Than you said they powerful because they are united and gujjars are not.

Ab mera sawal yeh hai sir, ke gujjars are poor because of Muslims, British or Rajputs. They are not educated because of Govt policies. Ab yeh bhi keh do ke gujjars are not united because of Muslims, Rajputs, or Govt. Than you say that Gujjars are lion. Sir what kind of lion you are ke aapki sabne maari hain.
Sir United aap ho nahin sakte kyonki aap kutte nahin hain. Loin aap rahe nahin kyonki aapki sabne maari hain. Sir Jab aadmi sher bhi na ho aur kutta bhi na ho toh who beech ka ho jaat hai. Aur sir beech ke aadmi ko kya kehte hain aapko apata hoga.

“JAAT KA JHATKA DHEERE SE LAGE’

As far as freedom fighter proof is concerned I have proofs first you shows me the proof that 186 people were hanged in your village.

KPS ji aapka mukabla padhe likhe jat se ho raha hai kissi anpad gujjar se nahin. Ye bakwaas apne gaon mein chutiye gujron ko hee suna ke kush ho jaya karo. Kabhi jat ko mat sunana.
Kyonki- ANPAD JAT PADHA SA AUR PADHA JAT KHUDHA SA

Anxiously waiting for your response.

As far as reservartion is concerned yes in U.P Yadav;s are taking the maximum advantage.

KPS ji in U.P I was not comparing Jats with Yadavs I was talking in context of Jats and Gujjars in reservation. Jats are definitely taking better advantage of reservation than Gujjars in U.P. It very simple to understand that Jat Youth is more eduated and career orientated than Gujjar youth whose main motive in life is to become a Milkman or a criminal reason is again simple Gujjars are illetarte.

We are asking about OBC status because majority of the Jat population is farmer and farmer deserve help from the Govt afterall we are the one who is producing Sugarcane and wheat for whole country. Saari country hamara boya hua khati hai.
Par aapka kya, appka to OBC mein bhi aakar peet nahin bhara. Ab to gujjas are demanding of ST status from Rajasthan govt .

To help you understand I have pasted the line from the Hindu news paper for you, Please note that Hindu newspaper is neither run by Jats and it has nothing to do with Wikepedia.

“JAIPUR, APRIL 16 . Divisions have surfaced among Gujjars in Rajasthan over their support to the Bharatiya Janata Party ahead of the Lok Sabha elections, with a faction in the community announcing that it was convinced by the ruling party's promise to include Gujjars in the reserved category of Scheduled Tribes and the others opposing it. Gujjars currently enjoy the reservation benefits as Other Backward Class (OBC). However, they have been agitating for shifting the community to the fold of Scheduled Tribe following the previous Congress regime's decision to accord the OBC status to Jats. Jats are believed to have carried away a major chunk of the quota benefits to the detriment of other sections in the category.”

To confirm please click

www.hinduonnet.com/2004/04/17/stories/2004041705750500.htm

Ab KPS JI kya kehna hai aapka. You are saying we are opportunistic. Tum log to itne gire hue ho ke naukri ke liye apne aapko ST category mein bhi karne ko raazi ho. It is really a shame.

KPS JI- Aaj kal ki duniya main apna hak cheena jata hai manga nahin. Ab jeeta who hai jiske gurde main jaan hoti hai. Jaaton ke gurde main jaan hain isliye Jaaton ne reservation ka haq BJP govt se dara kar liya tha.

To help you I have posted lines from rediff news and it is also not run by jats or wikepedia

"Both the political parties are scared of the Jats because in the 1998 assembly election, the Jats claimed they had dumped the BJP for the Congress and the latter won, while in the Lok Sabha election in 1999, they said they had supported the BJP since the Congress did not appoint a Jat chief minister, and the BJP won more seats in Rajasthan," he says.

To confirm please click on the hyperlink given below:

ia.rediff.com/election/2003/nov/27akd.htm

Ab bataiye KPS JI Kya kehna hai aapka ya phir raag alapo ge ki hamen sabne dhoka diya isle hum aise hain. It is really funny. I like that.

Dil Behlane ke liye Khayal Accha hai.

JAAT JISPE NA JUKH JAAYE USSE BAAT NAHIN KEHTE
HAR BAAT PE JO JUKH JAAYE USSE JAAT NAHIN KEH

[KPS Gujjar]

Hello Vijay,

Vijay below listed points (#n) are just because you demanded an answer. My real questions are below this number game. Hope you will answer like a gentleman.

#1. If you have a MLA/MP of a particulat caste from a constituency that does really mean that the whole constituency is of that very caste ? Mulayam Singh Yadav is CM of U.P. and now if Yadavs say that U.P. has a vast majority of Yadavs will you agree ? Previously CM of U.P. was Mayawati, what do you conclude from your own hypothecation ?

#2. Sugarcane as a crop is not bound to be associated to any caste. All farmers irrespective of their caste and creed contribute to production of Sugar Cane in India or specifically Wetern U.P. As you mentioned that as JATs are the maximum producer of Sugarcane so this has lead them to agitate and ask for better prices.
JATs alone are not the one who rally for the cause. Though some JAT leaders do take advantage from these rallies. This is BAD and I will call it cheating, irrespective of the caste of leader. One should be a man of words and be ready to die for a cause so dear to his/her heart.

Read about Mr. Tikait :

pd.cpim.org/2003/0126/12262003_up.htm

You must be knowing he planned an agitation and rally against inclusion of Hardwar in Uttranchal. He did the same to that agitation. All castes including JATs were pissed off with Tikait. So marvelously he planned everything and lead the agitation to nothing, at the end Farmers were left with nothing but "Police Lathis, Arrests and few deaths". Ask the Jats of Gurukul Narsan.

us.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/12up.htm
And Happly thereafter Haridwar is a part of Uttarnchal. What choice the farmers were left with ?

[ Sheer politics man]
www.upgov.nic.in/news1.asp?idn=2128

Tikait loses punch in Jatland :

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/667028.cms

www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=VOTE_2004&file_name=vote131.txt&counter_img=131

Enough About Tikait. !!!!!! In my opinion he does not deserve even this much mention.

#3. As you told about joshua project, where I can find about the population difference between JATs and Gujjars. Yo go ahead and look at Joshua Data and see for yourself at
www.haryana-online.com/People/gujars.htm [this is your link for Jats]
"There are 15 lac Gurjar Muslims in Jammu & Kashmir. Gurjars saved Kashmir during first invasion of Pakistan when Pakistan annexed the area, called Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK). Three Muslim Gurjars (nomads) including one women were awarded Padma Shree by the President of India for this act of patriotism."

From Joshua :
People Name This Country: Gujar, Muslim
Population in this Country: 413,000

#4. True Strory abour Rolls-Royce [Showed on Discovery Channel]
This world’s most famous and a best known brand is also associated with Punjab. According to a legend which finds mention on khalistan-affairs.org, in 1930, Maharaja Bhupinder Singh felt slighted at the British Rolls Royce company’s refusal to accept an order from him for a new Rolls Royce car. Reacting to the refusal, the old Maharaja put some of his old Rolls Royce cars to haul garbage dung and filth in Patiala city to the chagrin of the all-powerful Rolls Royce-loving Viceroy and the British ruling establishment who quickly prevailed upon the Rolls Royce Company to comply with the old Maharaja’s wishes.
www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040516/spectrum/main6.htm

#5. Movie : Yaar I said this because you said Muslims are treated as traitors, no body respects them and no one is interested in their history. Bhai we are poor, in minority and whatever you wish lekin tum to bade log ho kuch karate kyon nahi. Please stop comparing Gujjars with JATs, we are two totaly different personalities.

#6. Sir ji if you really wish I can give you all the hyperlinks where the british officers themselves wrote "Gujjars and Rangarhs (Muslim Rajputs) are the one who faught against us in almost all Nort-West, while JATs and Rajputs were with the company".
"Almost at every place of fierce armed rebellion, Gurkha Regment was deployed".
If you read Bipin Chandra's book on Freedom Struggle "There was lot of anger and fury amog the soldiers of awadh, when after their protest on going to Burma and Afganistan, soldiers from Punjab willing came to accept British Companies conditions of recruitments".
Samajhdaar ko sihara kafi. Vijay, you may not go by my opinion, on casualities and post casualities drama in forces. When anyone is recruited in army he is not given a certificate of assurity that he will retire alive from the forces, this is what they choose as a livelihood. Only 1 in 1000 today gets into that profession because of Sheer-Patriotism. I know quite a few guys who are comissioned into forces after NDA/IMA. They are all LOOSERS, I don't want to discuss them on the basis of CASTE. My cousins are in Army/BSF/ITBP.
Vijay, you need to get gravitate in life. I think this is your incubation period. I have seen your profile, you are much younger to me. I don't really wish to discuss this subject on caste basis. What happened in Kargil ? Whose fault was it ? Why were the martyrs given that much of compensation ? If that compensation is justified why it is not given to those who die in J&K, Assam on day to day basis ? To understand and analyse on these subjects you need to grow in experience.
If a Govt. Doctor or a Govt. Enggr. dies while performing his duties will the govt. give him that much of compensation. In todays world Govt. concluded Baap bada na bhaiyya sab se bada rupaiyya. Kuch bhi ho Salo ko paise de do, sab chup ho jate hain. Vijay ji, let us leave this discussion here itself, it needs a dedicated thread for itself. I always praise each and every soldier who dies but seldom the officers.
Please don't get offended, if you are so proud of Armymen, please ask any of your female family member to go to cantonment area. The luring comments and the filthy sites and the lusty eyes they will come across they will never forget in life. Then I will ask you to RESPECT FORCES. Those who are discplined are disciplened in and out. Those who get into forces because of earning a livelihood they are never disciplened in civil life, and are disciplened in Force, of the fear of losing their livlihood.

#7. I NEVER SAID GUJJARS AND RAJPUTS ARE SAME. I WILL NEVER SAY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SO. EVEN IF I SAID, I SAID I MAY CONSIDER THEM AS OUR YOUNGER BROTHERS NOT AT PAR WITH US.
Agar mera saga bhai bhi lalach ke liye apane Morals se compromise karata hai to maine use BHAI manane se inkaar karunga.

#8. Freedom Fighters : If you wish I will collect the copies of Dehradun Gazetteer, photocopies of old books and some research works and will post them to you (If your address s/o Sh. Amar Singh, Village Bawli, Bagpat is correct).

#9. JAT Youth :
School : When I was in school there were three JATs in my class.
1. Brij Veer Singh ( Got Married after +2, owns a small Electrical Shop, Takes contracts of house-hold wiring) Father working in BHEL. Younger brother following elder brother's foot steps.
2. Nitish Sehrawat ( I don't know whether he passed +2, good player (cricket). Father Gold Medalist from University of Roorkee, Retired. Tow sons and none doing well.
3. Hemendra (Pathetic looser, father retired from very good position from a University, Mother Sanskrit teacher)
College : No JAT in my batch. One senior was JAT, Rathi and he is good friend of mine. I respect him as a human being.
JOB : No JAT in my group of 60-70 people.
Sir this is my experience from personal life & with 100% honesty. You said muzaffarnagar is JAT dominated that is why people are scared to go through Muzaffarnagar by-pass even today. Meerut is JAT dominated (as u said), no body feels comfortable going through meerut by-pass at night. Don't u feel bad, same is the situation with Gujjar dominated places. What do you think all other castes think very well of us (you & me) ?
Sir, ek request hai. Jaise zor dekar aapane Rajasthan mein JATs ko OBC mein karawa liya hai waise hi yaar Zor dekar ye naya Reservation Proposal bhi lagoo karawa do. Aapaki baat to manani hi padegi govt. ko kyonki :
a) Aap log population mein sab se jyada ho
b) Aap log sab se jyada intelligent ho
c) Aap log sab se jyada ganna ugate ho.
d) Aap logon ka ugaya gehun(wheat) sara desh khata hai.
e) forces mein sab se jyada aap hi log ho
kuch rah gaya ho to please meri taraf se assume kar lena. Sincerely I wish ke govt ko bhi
Jaat ka Jhataka Dheere se lage :-)

10#. Yaar ab to hum log crime mein bhi tumse peeche rah gaye. Read todays news paper. One of the accused of Dhaula Kuan Rape case is a JAT.

11#. I think RAJASTHAN ka naam bhi ab badalawana padega. Kya rakhawa dein waise JATLAND theek rahega ? Kyonki ab to wahan sab kuch JATo ki marzi se hi hota hai. Bhai Rajasthan ka CM and UP ka CM JAT kab banawa rahe ho? Don't feel proud about todays politicians. If you really wish to, feel proud of Shastri Ji, Sardar Patel, Rajendra Prasad.

Laga to laye hain kuch door unhe baaton mein,
Aur jaan jayenge chand mulakaton mein

Now sincerely I wish to ask you some questions. Please do reply these even if you don't want to reply the above ones.
1. Do you visit all other community sites so dedicatedly as you do for Gujjars ? Boss you must be in total love with Gujjars. Aakhir Dushmano se bhi to dillagi hoti hai.
2. What do you achieve by all this ?
3. I never said any community is bad and I won't, I analyse people not community. You are not that young, only six years younger to me. When will you grow up ?
4. When Gujjars are discussing their proud and glorious History, why do you feel so pissed off. If you have something really nice to share with us regarding your community we will all be pleased to read and know.
5. Why do you think that "Rubbing some portion of a line of two equal lines, will make it shorter to other line" holds good in life.
6. Do you have friends from other communities ? If yes, Vijay every community has its ups-downs, do you look at them low ?

I really like discussing with you. It tells me where I was wrong when I was of your age. I too don't feel very good about some people, people from some specific areas, that is all because of my own personal experience.
How many times did any Gujjar do you any harm? How many times any Gujjar did some crime to your family ?
You are younger to me, I can only advice. This will never give you any positive attitude towards life. I give you an example. We Indians don't like Bangladeshis/Pakistanis because of our preconcieved notions. They are all not bad, they are projected to be bad. If we are wise enough we can make out other wise we will follow the "Bhed-Chal". If you go to US, EUROPE etc for a long time, say atleast 2-3 months. If you find some one looking like us, talking in Hindi, you will befriend with the fellow. Even if you come to know he is from pakistan/Bangladesh you will still feel befriend. To any caste he belongs you will feel befriend.
So, dear "Kuan ka mendhak'" nahi banana chahiye. Oopar wale ne hamein vivek diya hai, uska istemaal karana chahiye. Still if you feel the way you feel, I can't do anything but advise you being an elder.

Regards
KPS Gujjar

[KPS Gujjar]

My Friend Vijay,
I am leaving this forum forever. I cannot withstand what ever Ram Gopal wrote.
I am not on this forum to prove any caste is better than others. I was here just to make some change to the way we see eacth other. As I earlier said I am not the type of Gujjar who can say we are like Rajputs just to show we are at par. Gujjars are what Gujjars are, they are not like anyone else, same stands for all castes. No one is better and no one is BAD.
We are what we are as individuals.
I enjoyed discussions with you. Thanx for all the sharing and bearing with me.
Is you wish I am always available at [e-mail]

Wish you and your family a happy, healthy and prosperous life ahead.
Always best regards
KPS Gujjar