KPS JI
Ab to sara response maine ek post mein daal diya hai. Kindly responsd.
This is really coming to conclusion about Gujjars. In this response I have tried to show you ground realities of Jats and Gujjars and also proof of Jat producing maximum Sugarcane. In next post I will put response of your other doubts.
1. We are already set on Harit Pradesh. It is after all not for minorities.
2. As far as contribution of Jats and Gujjars is concerned I have not doubt that Jats are at much higher position than Gujjars. If you feel Gujjars have contributed more than Jats please provide evidence. It is not me who bring anything just out of own brain it is actually you, if not than provide me the evidence that 186 people were hanged from your village. Whatever I have said I have always provide you the evidence but you only talk by yourself which does not make any difference in this world.
3. Now let us come to Sugarcane. Let us first talk about Western U.P. Major Sugarcane producing Distt in Western U.P are Agra, Mathura, Aligarh, Bulandsahar, Merrut, Ghaziabad, Bagpat, Muzafarnagar and Bijnore. I will talk about every distt step by step. There is a simple common sense that if in a particular distt gujjar population and gujjar villages are more than Jats than obviously Gujjar will grow more sugarcane or any other farming products and vice versa as well. Let us first talk about Agra
Agra Distt- It is densely populated by Jats. Out 10 MLA seats in Distt Agra. 5 MLA’s t are Jats and most of them are from RLD party which is Jat party. List is given below:
a) Sh. Chotey Lal Verma- MLA Fatehabad- Phone No- 2230387
b) Sh. Ganga Prasad Pushkar- MLA party RLD consti Etmadpur- Phone- 2332189
c) Chaudhary Baboo Lal- MLA party RLD constituenct Fatepur Sikri- Phone- 2110210
d) Amar Singh Parmar- MLA from RLD constituency Kheragurh
e) Sh. Raja Mahendra Aridaman Singh MLA from BAH
Now let us come to MP. MP from Agra Raj Babbar is Muslim Jat.
Now let us come to Mayor and Zila Panchayat Chariperson, they both are Jats names are given below:
a) Smt. Prem Lata Parmar- Zila Parishad Chairperson- Phone-354493
b) Sh. Kishori Lal Mahor- Mayor- Phone- 363065
To confirm all above please click on the hyperlink given below:
agra.nic.in/elect.htmI have also provided the contact number of all the MP’s and MLA please feel free to confirm. Gujjars existence in Agra in nearly zero so there is no point they can grow more Sugracane than Jats. And everybody in India knows that Jat are big time in farming. Jats hold maximum and most fertile land in India including Western U.P.
Mathura: Mathura has 6 MLA seats and out of those 6 MLA’s 3 are Jats from RLD (Jat Party) Details are given below:
1. Sh. Tejpal Singh( MLA from RLD party constituency Chatta
2. Sh. Prem Singh Daroga (MLA from RLD party constituency Gokul)
3. Sh Pratap Chaudhary (MLA RLD party constituency Sadabad)
To cofirm all above please click on the hyperlink given below:
mathura.nic.in/poltical.htmMathura has given 3 times Tejveer Singh as a JAT from BJP, Also note that Jat population in Mathura is 3.5 lakh nearly 30 % out of 14 lakh, total population of Mathura.
To confirm please clink on hyperlink given below:
www.dailypioneer.com/vote_2004_2.asp?main_variable=vote_2004&file_name=vote317.txt&counter_img=317Aligarh: Out 7 MLA seats, Jat have 2 MLA names Sh. Mahendra Singh (BSP), Sh. Jaivir Singh, it would have been 3 but RLD candidate from Khair lost by very less margin because 3 jat candidates were contesting. T
o confirm about Jat MLA please click on the hyper link give below:
aligarh.nic.in/mp.htmMP from Aligarh Chaudhry Bijendra Singh is Jat from INC to confirm please click on the hyperlink given below:
www.telegraphindia.com/1051213/asp/frontpage/story_5593956.aspBulandshahar: - It is densely populated by Jats, Lodh, Yadav and Muslims. It has one MP seat and 9 MLA seats. MLA seats are as follows:
1. Bulandshahar- MLA is Mahendra Yadav from BJP. Yadav’s have 24 villages in this constituency. It has a mixed population of Muslim, Yadavs and Jats. One of the largest JAT village Bhatona near Gulaoti having population of 25,000 comes is in this constituency. D.P Yadav has won election 2 times from the same seat
2. Agota- MLA is Kiran Pal Singh (SP) He is Jat having Sirohi gotra from village Dhameda. Agota has 80% Jats. In the history of Agota politics no non Jat has become a MLA. This constituency have 2nd largest village of Jats which is Saidpur and Saidpur has a population of 35000 and all are Sirohi Jats.
3. Anoopshahar- MLA is Hosiar Singh (Independent) He is a Jat from village Suratgarh and Post Malakpur. His gortra is Rajora. Anoopshahar is densely populated by Jats as it has some of the largest Jat villages like Charora (Population 18000), Khalor (Population 28000) and Khadana (population 15000)
.4. Shikarpur- MLA is Munsilal Gautam. He is Chamar resident of Tulsi Market near Kala Aam. It is a reserve constituency but 59% Jat population. This has always been Ch Charan Singh seat but to weaken Ch Sahab support in U.P Indira Gandhi made it a reserve constituency.
5. Siyana- MLA is Sunder Singh (RLD) He is Lodha from Devipura. It has mixed population of Muslim, Tyagi and Lodh.
6. Sikandrabad- Ved Ram Bhati. He is a Gujjar from Village Girdharpur and Post Gurkul. It is indeed a Gujjar dominated constituency.
7. Debai- MLA is Rajveer Singh (BSP)Village Madhauli Nisfi Asharfabad and Post is Khas. He is a Jat and his gotra is Tewatia.
8. Jevar- MLA is Narendra Kumar from BSP. He is Chamar from Village & Post Mangrauli, Tehsil Jevar.
9. Khurja- MLA is Anil Kumar Sharma from BSP. He is a Pandit from Village and Post Surjawali.
All other eg clearly proves that it a Jat dominated constituency as Jat has 3 MLA from Bulandshahar and Gujjars have one. It could have been 4 Jat MLA if Shikarpur would not be the reserve constituency. However MLA from Shikarpur is from RLD which is JAT party.
Now let us come to MP seat of Bulandshahar- Please note that it is not a reserve constituency. Bulandshahar has so far seen 14 MP elections and out of these 14 elections seven times it has given a JAT MP and their names are as under:
1. Surendra Pal Singh- He is from Unchagaon Distt Bulandshar.. He belongs to a royal family of Jats from Unchagaon. He has his own fort in Unchagaon near Jhangirabad 40 KM from Bulandshahar City. He owns atleast 1200 Bighas land in Bulandshahar. Ask anybody from Bulandshahar he will tell you about him. He was married to daughter of Jat Raja from Bharatpur. He has won MP election 4 times from Distt Bulandshahr. He won in 1962, 1967, 1971 and 1984.
2. Ch Chatrapal Singh- He has been MP from Bulandshahar 3 times in 1991, 1996 and 1998. He is also a Jat from Agota Bulandshahar. His gotra is tewatia.
To confirm, please click on the hyperlink given below, you will find the names of all MP’s from Bulandshahar.
Scroll left hand side scroll bar and click on the MP.
bulandshahar.nic.in/The current MP from Bulandshahar is Kalyan Singh from Lodha community. He won by a very close margin of 10 thousand votes from Badrul Hasan (candidate of Jat party RLD) In the history of Bulandsahar not even once a Gujjar has become a MP and it is pretty clear that it is not a reserve constituency. All the above data clearly shows that Bulandshahar is not Gujjar dominated constituency.
Also gujjar has only one MLA and JATS have 3 MLA. Only a DUMB would say that it is gujjar dominated constituency.
Also recently on Jan 7, 2006, Distt Bulandshahar went for Zila Panchayat election on 46 Seats. Results came very good for RLD (Jat Party) as 18 candidates won from RLD out 46 and because of this Savita Singh is elected as the Chairman of the Zila Panchat. Savita Singh won Zila Panchayat on RLD ticket. She is Jatni from village Mumrejpur near Khurja in Distt Bulandshahar. Anybody who knows the politics is well aware that the Zila Panchayat chairman is as powerful as the MP. The Chairman get Red Light Car and DM of the district is the secretary of the chairman. Now you tell me a distt is called dominated by a community who has given 7 MP’s so far or a community who has given ZERO MP. Appointment of Savita Singh (RLD) as Chairman of Zila Panchayat clearly shows Jat power in Bulandshahar. So far Jat has given 6 Chairman of Zila panchyat. I can provide the details if needed.
Meerut- It is dominated by Muslim, Jats and Gujjars. Infact after recognizing Jat power Mulayam changed the name of Merrut Univ to Ch Charan University. Please note not even a single MLA from Meerut is Jat or gujjar. In fact Ranvindra Pundir MLA from Sardhana is Rajput. However RLD Jat party has one MLA from Siwalkhas constituency.
Bagpat- This distt has 3 MLA from RLD (Jat Party) All 3 constituency Bagpat, Baranawa, Chaprauli has RLD MLA.
Distt Muzafarnagar:- Muzafarnagar- It is densely populated by Jats and Muslims. Muzafarnagar has always been the centre point of all the famers protests and revolution. Mahendra Singh Tikait (JAT) belongs to this district. It has 2 MP seats and 9 MLA seats. MLA seats are as follows:
1. Kandhla- MLA is Ch Virendra Singh from (RLD). This constituency is called Garh of JATS. Nearly 75% of the population is JAT in Kandhla. Ch Virendra Singh belongs to JASALA village Distt Muzarfanagar. His gotra is RATHI.
2. Khatuli- MLA is Rajpal Singh Baliyan from (RLD)) He is Jat from village Garinabad Distt Muzafarnagar. Please note that Baliyan gotra has 84 villages in this constituency. Mahendra Singh Tikait is Chaudhry of the Baliyan KHAP in Muzafarnagar.
3. Bagra- MLA is Paramjeet Malik from (RLD). This seat got vacant after Anuradha Chaudhry won MP, Lok Sabha election from Kairana. Anuradha earlier was MLA from the same seat. After Anuradha this seat went again for election Paramjeet Malik won it from RLD ticket (JAT PARTY)
4. Jansath- MLA is Yashwant Singh from (RLD). He is Jat from village Chudiyala distt Muzafarnagar. His gotra is Nehra.
5. Morna- MLA is Rajpal Saini from (BSP) He is Dheemar from Sarwat Gaon -6 distt Muzarfanagar.
6. Muzarfanagar (City)- MLA is Chitranjan Swaroop from (SP). He is a Bania and resident of H.NO-197 North Civil lane Muzarfarnagar U.P
7. Charthawal- MLA is Uma Kiran from (SP). She is Chamar from Halwayian Chauhatta distt Muzarfanagar and it is a reserve constituency.
8. Kairana- MLA Hukum Singh from BJP. He is only gujjar MLA from Distt Muzarfarnagar. He is the resident of H.No 107 Alkala, Kairana U.P
9. Thana Bhawan- MLA is Kiran Pal Kashyap from SP. He is Kashyap resident of Dheemanpura -2 Majra Road, Shamli Distt Muzarfanagar.,
To confirm the all above, please click on the hyperlink given below:
muzaffarnagar.nic.in/pubrep.htmGujjar have only one MLA whereas Jats have 4 MLA’s. Not only Jats dominates the above 4 Assembly seats they also make significant impact on 3 other Assembly seats like Charthawal, Kairana and Thana Bhawan. This is the only reason Samajwadi Party (SP) made an alliance with RLD (JAT Party) to compromise on seats.
Now let us come to MP seat of Distt Muzarfanagar. Muzafarnagar Distt have 2 MP seats Muzafarnagar and Kairana. Please note that none of them is a reserve constituency. From Muzafarnagar MP is Ch Munawar Hasan from SP. This seat was under joint election of SP and RLD.
From Kairana MP is Anuradha Chaudhry from RLD. Anuradha is Jatni everybody knows it.
Also note that from Muzafarnagar Distt we have a Member Parliament of Rajya Sabha as well. His name is Harinder Malik. He is from Village Kazi Khera, Distt. Muzaffarnagar (Uttar Pradesh)
Please note that Muzarfanagar is totally a JAT and MUSLIM dominated district. They all together form 70% of the total population.
To enhance your knowledge about Muzarfanagar prominent personalities click on the hyper link given below:
muzaffarnagar.nic.in/prominent.htmOut of 3 personalities Mahendra Tikait and Virender Singh both are JATS
KPS ji- I have provided all the details which clearly proves that all Sugarcane belt of Wetern U.P is dominated by Jat or Muslims. You do not need an Einstein to understand that if Jats are in majority in these distt and they have the most fertile and the maximum land it is obvious that Jats grow the maximum Sugarcane in these distt.
Please find hereunder the hyperlink about Jats holding maximum land in Muzarfanagar. For your kind information this link is not from Jatland or Wikepedia. To help you I have posted the line from the news.
“Kukda, located 5 kilometres from Muzaffarnagar town, is a large village with a sizable Muslim population. In fact, the Muslim population in Muzaffarnagar district is supposed to average between 35 and 40 per cent though some would optimistically put it at 50 per cent. This is part of the sugarcane belt in western Uttar Pradesh. Land ownership is concentrated mainly among the Jats. A few upper-caste groups and fewer Muslims own land. The large majority of Dalits, Maalis and Muslims work as agricultural labour. Sugarcane is grown almost throughout the year, and given the ample supply of canal water, the crop is assured and the owners devote their time to activities that people say have resulted in a high rate of crime in the region. The area is sometimes referred to along with Meerut, Saharanpur, Bulandshahr and Ghaziabad as the "Wild West".
To confirm above click
www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2215/stories/20050729006512100.htmNow let us come to Gujjar dominated areas in Western U.P. Gujjar mainly dominated Dadri Belt and Khekra in Distt Ghaziabad and Mawana in Distt Meerut and also some parts in Muzarfarnagar.
I hope you know that Dadri belt land is not conducive for Sugarcane because it is near to Yamuna land is very Retili. And Khekra also is not a fertile area for Sugarcane.
However in Mawana and Muzafarnagar Gujjar do grow lots of Sugarcane which is peanuts in front of Jat production in whole Western U.P
Some more link of what other think about Jats and this link is not also from Jatland
kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/clusters/8083.htmlI have already provided the proof in my above response that The Jat regions in India are among the most prosperous on a per-capita basis (Haryana, Punjab, and Gujarat are among the wealthiest of Indian provinces).
It is only Jats who always raises issues about Sugarcane because we are first to be affected by low price., Jat leaders like Mahendra Singh Tikait take rally for Sugarcane farmers.. Now I would like to see a response from you. About Gujjar MLA’ or MP in Western UP or Gujjar population in WesternU.P. Let me tell you total population of Jats in Western U.P is 2,964,000 and Gujjars is 1,075,000
To confirm Gujjar population U.P and India please clink on hyperlink
www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.phpKPS Ji App sirk bolte ho koi proof kabhi nahin provide karte. Please respond the way I have responded than I would believe you. All the information I have provided above is not from Wikepedia or Jatland. Now I would also like to see the response like this not a response what you think.
JAT GANDA NA DEVE BHEELI DEVE HAI
Now let us come on the Movies on Raja Sural Mal. It is true that there is no movie on Raja Sural Mal but KPS JI Kya gujjar king per koi Movie bani hai.
To know more about Jats and Suraj Mal please click on the hyper link given below, also note that this is not from Jatland or Wikepedia.
www.indiasite.com/rajasthan/bharatpur/history.htmlI have pasted one incident from the above link
“Obviously the Jats were always trying to assert their supremacy over other fellow human beings. Once what happened was that a maharaja of Bharatpur was snubbed by an insolent young Rolls Royce salesman. It hurt the Jat's pride immensely, and to counter that, he brought a whole fleet of Rolls Royces. and guess what he did with them? He made them Bharatpur's garbage collecting vehicles!”
KPS JI padha, yuu hoo Jaat.
Now let us come to Army. Sir now you are really acting like bad looser. Aapke mutabik in whole India the Indian Army mein sab sifarish se hi jaate hain.
Aapke mutabik Jat, Rajput, Sikh, Gorkha sab fauj mein sifarish ki wajah se hain. Tell me one thing jab ye hi community ke log jung mein jaan dete hain tab aapki sifarish ka logic kahan chala jaat hai.
Sir I think you do not read whatever you right. You have always said that most of the Rajputs are gujjars than again you are saying here that Rajputs are opportunist. Than by default it proves that Gujjars are opportunist because as per your previous comments most of the rajputs are gujjars.
Sir agar Prithvi Raj Cahuhan ko aap Gujjar kehte ho phir Jai Chand ko bhi gujjar kaho. I hope you know Jaichand is the biggest traitor. Ye to koi baat nahin hui jab rajput accha Karen to who gujjar hain jab who fauj mein jaaye to woh opportunist hain.
Sir apne funde clear kar lo.
Now let us come to Chamars or Harizans. You have said that in your area they are still exploited you are right even in my area they are exploited. Than you said they powerful because they are united and gujjars are not.
Ab mera sawal yeh hai sir, ke gujjars are poor because of Muslims, British or Rajputs. They are not educated because of Govt policies. Ab yeh bhi keh do ke gujjars are not united because of Muslims, Rajputs, or Govt. Than you say that Gujjars are lion. Sir what kind of lion you are ke aapki sabne maari hain.
Sir United aap ho nahin sakte kyonki aap kutte nahin hain. Loin aap rahe nahin kyonki aapki sabne maari hain. Sir Jab aadmi sher bhi na ho aur kutta bhi na ho toh who beech ka ho jaat hai. Aur sir beech ke aadmi ko kya kehte hain aapko apata hoga.
“JAAT KA JHATKA DHEERE SE LAGE’
As far as freedom fighter proof is concerned I have proofs first you shows me the proof that 186 people were hanged in your village.
KPS ji aapka mukabla padhe likhe jat se ho raha hai kissi anpad gujjar se nahin. Ye bakwaas apne gaon mein chutiye gujron ko hee suna ke kush ho jaya karo. Kabhi jat ko mat sunana.
Kyonki- ANPAD JAT PADHA SA AUR PADHA JAT KHUDHA SA
Anxiously waiting for your response.
As far as reservartion is concerned yes in U.P Yadav;s are taking the maximum advantage.
KPS ji in U.P I was not comparing Jats with Yadavs I was talking in context of Jats and Gujjars in reservation. Jats are definitely taking better advantage of reservation than Gujjars in U.P. It very simple to understand that Jat Youth is more eduated and career orientated than Gujjar youth whose main motive in life is to become a Milkman or a criminal reason is again simple Gujjars are illetarte.
We are asking about OBC status because majority of the Jat population is farmer and farmer deserve help from the Govt afterall we are the one who is producing Sugarcane and wheat for whole country. Saari country hamara boya hua khati hai.
Par aapka kya, appka to OBC mein bhi aakar peet nahin bhara. Ab to gujjas are demanding of ST status from Rajasthan govt .
To help you understand I have pasted the line from the Hindu news paper for you, Please note that Hindu newspaper is neither run by Jats and it has nothing to do with Wikepedia.
“JAIPUR, APRIL 16 . Divisions have surfaced among Gujjars in Rajasthan over their support to the Bharatiya Janata Party ahead of the Lok Sabha elections, with a faction in the community announcing that it was convinced by the ruling party's promise to include Gujjars in the reserved category of Scheduled Tribes and the others opposing it. Gujjars currently enjoy the reservation benefits as Other Backward Class (OBC). However, they have been agitating for shifting the community to the fold of Scheduled Tribe following the previous Congress regime's decision to accord the OBC status to Jats. Jats are believed to have carried away a major chunk of the quota benefits to the detriment of other sections in the category.”
To confirm please click
www.hinduonnet.com/2004/04/17/stories/2004041705750500.htmAb KPS JI kya kehna hai aapka. You are saying we are opportunistic. Tum log to itne gire hue ho ke naukri ke liye apne aapko ST category mein bhi karne ko raazi ho. It is really a shame.
KPS JI- Aaj kal ki duniya main apna hak cheena jata hai manga nahin. Ab jeeta who hai jiske gurde main jaan hoti hai. Jaaton ke gurde main jaan hain isliye Jaaton ne reservation ka haq BJP govt se dara kar liya tha.
To help you I have posted lines from rediff news and it is also not run by jats or wikepedia
"Both the political parties are scared of the Jats because in the 1998 assembly election, the Jats claimed they had dumped the BJP for the Congress and the latter won, while in the Lok Sabha election in 1999, they said they had supported the BJP since the Congress did not appoint a Jat chief minister, and the BJP won more seats in Rajasthan," he says.
To confirm please click on the hyperlink given below:
ia.rediff.com/election/2003/nov/27akd.htmAb bataiye KPS JI Kya kehna hai aapka ya phir raag alapo ge ki hamen sabne dhoka diya isle hum aise hain. It is really funny. I like that.
Dil Behlane ke liye Khayal Accha hai.
JAAT JISPE NA JUKH JAAYE USSE BAAT NAHIN KEHTE
HAR BAAT PE JO JUKH JAAYE USSE JAAT NAHIN KEH