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Post by AP Singh on Aug 25, 2005 0:45:47 GMT -5
Hi Ashok, In my opinion the Mandor factor seems to be logical. Regards. AP Singh
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Post by Harish Bhadana on Aug 25, 2005 8:47:06 GMT -5
dear ashok,
Once there was a village 'harsoli-kheda' on the Palwal-Nuh road. Alas, it is no more. This village was inhabited by Harsana gurjars. During the muslim rules, as you know, nobody was safe and village and basti people, particularly Gurjars were always on the run. Not only this particular village, but there were atleast 7-8 villages (mostly gurjars) who just left their names not people.. They are now history. I gained this knowledge from my elders. Even my village (Mandori, near Mandkola) came on the scene just 200 years back. We came from village Pali-Pakad (near Ballabhgarh). And, Pali-Pakad gurjars came from Rajasthan. Hence, people were moving and shifting from place to place.
We will talk on phone some day..
harish bhadana
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ashokharsana1
Junior Member
My name is Ashok Harsana, I am from a very well established family in south Delhi
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Post by ashokharsana1 on Aug 28, 2005 6:17:45 GMT -5
Hello all The Gurjars,
Thanks Harish Bhai and AP singh Ji,
Harish Bhai there is a village called "Khodeka" Near Palwal. Harsanas are still found in that village.
But My question regarding the origin of my surname is still unanswered.....Can Anyone help.....
Regards Ashok Harsana
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Post by AP Singh on Sept 6, 2005 1:09:53 GMT -5
Hi All, See the following site and visit the different cities of Gujaarat and see atleast half of them are built or named after the Great Gujjar King Siddhraj Jai Singh of Gujjar Solanki dynasty. www.indiantravelportal.com/gujarat/siddhpur/CITIES Ahmedabad Gandhinagar Porbandar Anand Gondal Palitana Bhavnagar Halvad Rajkot Bhuj Idar Siddhpur Champaner Junagarh Surat Chhota Udepur Jamnagar Vansada Dwarka Kachchh Vadodara Dabhoi Lakhpat Wadhvan Danta Morbi Wankaner Dharampur Mandvi Zinzuwada Dhoraji Patan Gandhidham Palanpur
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 8, 2006 5:23:41 GMT -5
Hi mazhar, Please see this thread how Delhi and Bhopal is founded and named after the Great Gujjar King Mihir Bhoj. This area was ruled by Gujjar parmars, the other fuedatories of Gujjar pratihars. Regards. AP Singh
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 22, 2006 7:47:41 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, Here is the information about the city named after great Gujjar King Siddh Raj Solanki. Also there is information about Bohra Muslims. Bohra Muslims are considered to Bohra Brahmins before conversion to Muslim religion. I have seen some postings in this site where Muslims are shown in India in a bad shape. That is not true. These people who are posting this kind of information probably belong to very low society and are always ready to spit venom on others. Sometimes these people are writing by posing themselves as Gujjars or Rajputs to ignite fight among others and to see the Tamasha. Beware of them since they dont deserve a response. I will ask one question from them. If Muslims in India are in bad shape then who is Asif ji Prem ji, the owner of Wipro, one of the leading IT Company in India? Does he belong to their community.
Beautiful Mansions Of Merchants In A Sacred Town Siddhpur is an ancient sacred town on the banks of the Saraswati River. It finds mention in the Skanda Purana as Sristhala. Siddhpur derives its name from the great ruler of Gujarat, Siddhraj Jaisinh, who constructed a magnificent Shiva Temple called Rudra Mahalaya, in 12th century AD, at this town. The entire townscape of Siddhpur is dotted with temples, 'kunds', 'ashrams' and sacred buildings along the banks of the Saraswati River.
In ancient times, the urban structures of Siddhpur were influenced by two significant aspects- the natural features of the Saraswati river and the man-made feature of the Rudra Mahalaya. Prime Attractions Religious Rituals: The unique geographical feature of the Saraswati stream turning eastwards lends special sanctity to this place. For all the Hindus, this is the place to perform the 'Matru Shraddh' (the ritual ceremony for maternal spirits). This significance is the reason for the large population of Brahmins, who act as priests in such ceremonies. These ceremonies are performed at Kapilamuni Ashram, where 3 sacred water 'kunds' exist-Gyan Vapika, Alpa Sarovar and Bindu Sarovar. For anyone interested in the Hindu religious ceremonies, it is well worth a visit.
Thali Building: On the opposite bank of the Saraswati river, there is an architecturally interesting building, known as Thali building, built by Ahilyabai Holkar, queen of Indore, a famous Maratha queen who patronized many such building projects in all the important Hindu pilgrimage centres of India.
Rudra Mahalaya: The ancient texts describe Rudra Mahalaya as a magnificent Shiva Temple with a three-storeyed 'shikhara', 1600 pillars, 12 entrance doors, central 'mandapa' and porches on east, north and south and sanctum in west. Around the temple, there were 11 shrines of Rudra.
The eastern gate was adorned with beautifully carved 'Toran', with a flight of steps leading to the Saraswati river. Ulugh Khan and Ahmed Shah of Ahmedabad ruthlessly destroyed this magnificent Shiva Temple, in the late 13th century or early 14th century. The cells on the surrounding walls were converted in to a mosque.
Mansions Of Bohra Muslims: Siddhpur is a major centre of the Bohra Muslims from few centuries. The Bohras are a rich and cultured community spread all over the major cities of the world. They are deeply attached to their native town of Siddhpur and regularly visit the town for important social ceremonies.
About a century ago, they built very beautiful mansions in a typical architectural style, from the wealth earned abroad. The well laid out paved streets, service lanes, mosques, perfect arrangement of row houses with profusely decorated facades using a common architectural vocabulary is a direct outcome of the collective vision of the Guilds of Bohra merchants.
For any visitor, a visit to the Bohravad is a must and it will be a wonderful experience to suddenly discover such a perfect example of urban design in the middle of chaotic Indian urbanization. Excursions Vadnagar: (42 km from Siddhpur) Vadnagar finds mention in many Hindu 'Puranas' and in the travelogue of great Chinese traveller, Hieu-en-Tsang (7th century), as a rich and flourishing town. The inscription on Arjun Bari Gate confirms King Kumarapla built the fortification of the city in 1152 AD.
Sharmishta Talav: The town sits on the high bank of Sharmistha Talav, with an overlooking promenade, in a crescent and a series of steps leading to the tank. The fortification and undulating skyline mirorred in the water of Sharmistha Talav lend a picturesque quality to the whole composition.
Kirti Toran: It is located on the bank of Sharmishta Talav, on a road going down from Arjun Bari. It is among the few surviving examples of the entrance gates, once a regular feature of the architecture of Gujarat in Solanki period.
Architectural treatment and the exquisite stone carvings on every part remind one of Rudra Mahalaya at Siddhpur. Next to it, remains of one of the twin 'toran' provide an opportunity to appreciate the sculptural details. TRAVEL INFORMATION How To Get There Air: Nearest airport is Ahmedabad (111 km).
Rail: Siddhpur is a railway station on Ahmedabad-New Delhi railway line.
Road: It is connected with Ahmedabad and Mehsana by road route.
Local transport: non-metered auto rickshaws. Where To Stay One can find reasonable accommodation in local guesthouses and dharamshalas.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 22, 2006 7:53:28 GMT -5
Hi Gujjars, Here is some information about Patan, the place of Chawra and Solanki Gujjars from where they ruled India for more than 250 years.
PATAN
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Location:130 Kms From Ahmedabad, Gujarat. Founded In: 1796 AD. Originally Called As: Anhil Vad Pattan. Speciality: Patola Sarees.
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The historic town of Patan founded in 1796 AD is situated on the river Saraswati, about 51 kms from Mehsana and 130 kms from Ahmedabad . Originally known as Anhil-Vad-Pattan, it flourished during the Solanki Dynasty and has some interesting monuments.
The streets of its older quarters present an interesting look with a mélange of carved balconies, lintels of Muslim havelis, marble domes and the canopies of the over 100 Jain temples.
Patan is celebrated world over for its exquisite Patola silk saree woven here. Patan is a beautiful old town with Jain temples and caned wooden houses. Ranaki Vav (step-well) and Sahastralinga Talav or Lake are also interesting places to visit in Patan.
PRIME ATTRACTIONS Rani Ni Vav Or Rani Uday Mati Vav: It is one of the largest step wells in Gujarat. It was built during the last decade of the 11th century by Rani Udaymati in memory of her husband, Bhimdeva I of the Chalukya Dynasty. The Vav is decorated with around 800 stone sculptures and reliefs. There are impressive images of Gods of the Hindu pantheon in their various incarnations with their consorts. No other step-well in India is as profusely adorned as this.
Sahastralinga Talav: It occupies the northwestern part of the city. It's on the left bank of the river Saraswati. The Talav is reputed to have been built by Siddharaja Jaisinh, the Chalukyan ruler. Pentagonal in shape, it is spread over an area of 17 hectares. The most interesting of the relics are the channels, the well, steps and side elevation of the pond.
Shamlaji: One of the principal Vaishnav shrines of Gujarat, Shamlaji, or 'the dark one', is one aspect of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu. It is situated 126 kms from Ahmedabad .
Patola Silk Saree: The Patan Patola is one of the finest hand-woven textiles produced today. It combines the art of tying and dyeing of the warp and weft threads and their weaving together, when each warp thread is carefully placed against the corresponding colours. Besides Patan, the double Ikat is woven only in Bali in Indonesia.
HOW TO GET THERE Air: Nearest airport is Ahmedabad .
Rail: Linked with Ahmedabad.
Road: State transport buses and private luxury coaches connects various centres of Gujarat. It is situated 130 kms from Ahmedabad .
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Post by AP Singh on May 9, 2006 1:40:19 GMT -5
Hi Gujjars, Many Historian blames Gujjars that even after having four armies of 9,00,000 men in each direction the Gujjars could have easily easily exterminated the Arab invaders in the Sindh province and beyond but they allowed it to remain there. In my earlier postings I have given enough reasons for Imperial Gujjar Pratihars not to attack afghanistan even after having best of army comprising a rich army of 36,00,000 men having horeses and camels and best of the Generals in the form of the people of thier own clans of Chauhans, Guhilas,Tanwars,Solankis,Parmars and Non clan vassals like Rathores, Kalchuris, Kushwahas etc. The main reason was that there was very little to attract them beyond Sindh in Afghanistan and arab Deserts since Oil was useless that point of time. One more reason as mentioned by various visiting Arab scholars in their literature was a temple located in Sindh. The Arab Muslims used to take shelter in this temple to protect them from Gujjars armies. The Gujjars found in Afghanistan and in Pakistan at Afghanistan borders now a days are the Gujjars of the Imperial Gujjar srmy posted there at that time. They all speak Rajasthani Gojri, all are well built and share the same Gotras of Gujjars of Rajasthan and Delhi with little variation of pronunciation (Like Toor of Afghanistan are the Tuar,Tanwar,Toonwar of Delhi and Rajasthan who are the founder of Delhi). See the following link: www.bharatvani.org/books/hhrmi/ch2.htmArab travellers to India of the 10th century “all speak of only two independent Arab principalities with Multan and Mansurah as their capitals”. The Pratihara kings waged constant war “against the Arab prince of Multan, and with the Mussalmans, his subjects on the frontier”. Multan would have been lost by the Arabs but for a Hindu temple. Dr. Misra quotes Al-Istakhri who wrote about AD 951 that in Multan “there is an idol held in great veneration by the Hindus and every year people from distant parts undertake pilgrimages to it… When the Indians make war upon them and endeavour to seize the idol, the inhabitants [Arabs] bring it out pretending that they will break it and burn it. Upon this the Indians retire, otherwise they would destroy Multan.” Finally, he observes: “Thus after three centuries of unremitting effort, we find the Arab dominion in India limited to two petty states of Multan and Mansurah. And here, too, they could exist only after renouncing their iconoclastic zeal and utilizing the idols for their own political ends. It is a very strange sight to see them seeking shelter behind the very budds, they came here to destroy.”13 It has to be kept in mind all along that the Arab empire in this period was the mightiest power on earth. Compared to this monolithic and highly militarised giant, the Hindu principalities of Sindh and other border areas were no better than pygmies. Yet the pygmies had the last laugh at the end of the 10th century when the Islamised Turks took over from the Arabs the Islamic crusade against “Sind and Hind”. It was the old story of Alexander and the small republics of the Punjab and Sindh, all over again.
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Post by Gujjar on May 24, 2006 4:09:58 GMT -5
Hello All Gujjars Have A Nice Day Ahead
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Post by gujjar on May 26, 2006 1:25:26 GMT -5
hello all
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Post by Parvinder Gurjar on May 28, 2006 2:24:42 GMT -5
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