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Post by KPS Gujjar on Apr 19, 2006 2:25:12 GMT -5
Hello Parvinder Bhai and A. P. Singh Bhai, I am closely following your discussion. Thanks for the info. Could you please (both of you) let me know names of some good books, to lay my hands on, to better understand the history of Gujjars. Though I have a few but they are at my home (will bring them and refresh my knowledge), still I would love to buy some more books. Thanx in advance. Looking forward to your reply.
Regards KPS Gujjar
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 19, 2006 4:13:38 GMT -5
Hi KPS, You may have to refer to very basic books related to the History of India from 4th. century to 12th. century. You have to rely more on inscriptions since in the books the Gujjars are refereed as Rajputs at many places. This is the reason I am not arguing anymore with Parvinder since he has refereed to an inscription. Also the most of Gujjar History written in the name their various Gotras since most of the rulers under the rule of Gurjar Pratihars were their Gujjar brothers only. That is logical also since they used to be more trustworthy at the time of arab invasion or a fight with the Rastrakuts (The present day Rathores). These gotras were like Like Chap (the Present day Chawra, Char, Chawri, Chawda etc.), Pratihars,Chauhans,Solankis, Dhama,Parmar,Tanwars etc. At number of places these Gujjar Gotra are called as Rajputs but that is wrong since Rajput word was not there in the history before 10th. century. This is also because of lack of deep knowledge on the part of historians, who have written books as per their own limited knowledge. For example take Rana Pratap.Everybody know he was a Sheesodia and very few people know that sheesodia is branch of Guhilot and guhilots are a branch of Gurjar Solankis of Gujarat. Moreover their queens of these Gujjar kings used to be mostly from from the Gujjar clans only. Like the mother of Prithviraj Chauhan was the cousin sister of Gujjar king KumarPal Solanki of Gujrat and the sister of Prithvi Raj Chauhan was married to Samarsi, Guhilot king of Chottor. The wife of Prithviraj Chauhan was of Dhama gotra of Gujjars. The elder brother of his wife was Kadambwas (Kaimas), was also the prime minister and another brother Khande rao Dhama was the real hero during the first battle with Ghori and was the supreme General in the army of Chauhan. Khande rao was the one who almost killed Ghori in the first battle with the Ghori and Ghori was taken away from the battle half dead. The Youngest brother of Kaimas and Khande Rao was Pundir and there is a separate gotra of Pundirs after his name still found today in Saharan Pur District of UP and presently are Rajputs and they are settled allogwith the 84 villages of Gujjar Chauhans. So we are not finding the new allies here but are searching our genetic brothers. Since Pundir was not that significant as Khanderao and Kaimas and younger one but that was the one who reamined alive to carry on the further generations of the Dhama clan. In that sence you may call Rajputs as younger cousins of Gujjars since the braves were either died in the war or later converted to Muslim religion but not in any derogatory sence since they also belong to our forefathers. Probably the Pundir must have been sent saftey during the war to keep clan of Dhams alive and the entire clan after his generations became pundir. Dhamas (Dahima, Dahma) are found among Gujjars in Rajasthan and UP. There was one Gujjar Dhama cabinet minister also in Rajasthan Government. among rajputs also the Pundirs are a sub-branch of Dhama Gotra and you may verify the same at their website. Regards. AP Singh
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 19, 2006 5:24:43 GMT -5
Hi KPS/Parvinder, I am giving you one link about God Dev Narayan. tdil.mit.gov.in/CoilNet/IGNCA/devn029.htmIn Rajasthan and Malwa God DevNarayan is worshiped as the incarnation of God Vishnu. He was born to a Gujjar Chauhan family (the gotra is named after his grandfather Baghji Rawat as Baghrawat) with a Khatana mother. His fight was with the Pratihar king of Rann since in the books the story the younger brother of King DurjanSal is referred as NimDev Parihar. Here parihars were reffered as Rajputs in the books and Chauhans as Gujjars, though both were Gujjars. God DevNarayan has many Devras (His temples are called as Devras) in rajasthan. One such Devra is there in the fort of Chittor. It is still a customs among Gujjars that we worship our Devtas among Gujjar hindus as well gujjar Muslims. Gujjar Muslims worship at the shrines of our forefathers and take the blessings of them before starting any important work like war, Marriage etc. You may see at Mewar encyclopedia that Rana Sanga used to wear the battle armaments at the feet of God Dev Narayan to take the blessings of our forefathers. It is generally believed that during his last war with Babar he put on the cloths outside the Devra in hurry and went in to the war without the blessings of his forefathers and he lost the war. That is a belief only since our forefathers were very kind and this can not be true. The main reasons of his defeat were treachery from one of the Rajput king who was fighting under him and defected to Babar and provided information.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 19, 2006 7:23:43 GMT -5
Hello Gujjar brothers, Here I would like to clarify that on the page no. 37, the name of King Beesal Dev in mentioned. King Beesal dev was the Gujjar chauhan king of Ajmer and the grand grand father of God Dev Narayan (Mandal mentioned in the epic) was a real cousin of king Beesal Dev and due to some fued with the king, the mandal branch of gujjar chauhans left Ajmer and went to Sakambhari (The original kingdom of Gujjar Chauhans) and got separated from the main branch of Ajmer. See the link. tdil.mit.gov.in/CoilNet/IGNCA/devn037.htm
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 0:29:39 GMT -5
Hi Gujjars, See the following link. It is how the Gujjars and Rajputs are related by blood and the same gujjars are called as rajput at one place and Gujjar at another place. With the passage of time they were isolated with each other but their customs and gotras are the same still today. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolankiSolanki From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search For the English cricketer, please see Vikram Solanki The Solanki or Chalukya is a Hindu Gurjar, Rajput dynasty of India, who ruled the kingdom of Gujarat from the 10th to the 13th centuries. The Solanki are a branch of the Chalukya clan of Gurjar and whose oldest known area of residence may be in present-day Karnataka. In Gujarat, Anhilwara (modern Siddhpur Patan) served as their capital. Gujarat was a major center of Indian Ocean trade, and Anhilwara was one of the largest cities in India, with population estimated at 100,000 in the year 1000. The Solankis were patrons of the great seaside temple of Shiva at Somnath Patan in Kathiawar; Bhima Dev helped rebuild the temple after it was sacked by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1026. His son Karandev conquered the Bhil king Ashapall or Ashaval, and after his victory established a city named Karnavati on the banks of the Sabarmati River, at the site of modern Ahmedabad. Contents [hide] 1 Establishment of the dynasty 2 Siddhraj Jaysinh 3 Later generations 4 Solanki rulers of Gujarat 5 External links [edit] Establishment of the dynasty Mulraj Solanki, who came to power in 942, established what came to be known as the Solanki dynasty. Ambitious as he was, he started expanding his frontiers and established his complete and total hold over Saurashtra and Kachchh by defeating Grahripu of Junagadh (Saurashtra) and Lakho Fulani of Kachchh. Mulraj Solanki's reign marked the start of a period during which Gujarati culture flowered as manifested in art, architecture, language and script. It is described as the golden period of Gujarat's chequered history. Mulraj himself adopted the title of Gurjaresh (King of Gurjardesh). The territory under the sway of the Solankis came to be known by different variations of the word Gurjar like Gurjardesh, Gurjara-Rastra and finally Gujarat. [edit] Siddhraj Jaysinh The one name stand out in the Solanki dynasty is Siddhraj Jaysinh also known as Siddhraj Solanki who ruled for 47 years from 1094 and considered as the most prominent Solanki king. Apart from Saurashtra and Kachchh, Siddhraj Jaysinh had also conquered the Malwa. The popular conception of Siddhraj mixes greatness and medieval callousness. One of the most prominent legends of the Gujarat bards is woven round the siege of Junagadh by Siddhraj' Jaysinh. Siddhraj wanted to marry the princess Ranakdevi, but his vassal, Ra Khengar, the Chief of Junagadh, married her before he could do so. An enraged Siddharaj attacked the mountain-fortress of Junagadh. It fell after Ra Khengar's nephews betrayed him. Ranakdevi refused Siddharaj's advances for marriage after he had killed her husband and two sons. She was forcibly brought to Wadhwan where she committed the ritual of Sati at this place to protect her honour. It is believed that her curse made Bhogavo, a local river, waterless, forever. Some historians doubt the authenticity of the story. Siddhraj is said to have ascended the throne of Patan after killing his uncle Mulraja Solanki. In condemnation of this act, the local Brahmins refused to participate in the inauguration of the new palace, commissioned by the late Mularaja. In response, Siddhraj invited Brahmins from North India to settle in the region. He also features in the legend of Jasma Odan, a beautiful woman of the tank diggers' community-oudes, who were digging a new tank in Patan. Already married, she refused Siddhraj's advances and committed sati to protect her honour. It is believed that her curse made this tank waterless and the king without an heir to the kingdom of Gujarat. [edit] Later generations Siddhraj's successor was the king Kumarpal, who rebuilt the Somnath temple. Several scholars including the great Acharya Hemachandra flourished during the rule of Kumarpal. After 1243, the Solankis lost control of Gujarat to their feudatories, of whom the Vaghela chiefs of Dholka came to dominate Gujarat. In 1297 Gujarat was conquered by the Delhi Sultanate. Descendants of the Anhilwara Solankis ruled the state of Rewa, in the Bagelkhand region, the eastern part of present-day Madhya Pradesh. Vyaghra Deo, brother of the King of Gujarat, moved to Bagelkhand in the middle of the twelfth century, and obtained the fortress of Marpha, 18 miles northeast of Kalinjar. His son Karandeo married a Kalchuri (Haihaya) princess of Mandla, and received the fortress of Bandogarh as her dowry. Bandogarh served as the seat of the Solankis of Bagelkhand until its destruction by the Mughal emperor Akbar in 1597. After the destruction of Bandogargh, the Solankis moved their capital to Rewa. From 1812 to 1947 the Solanki rajas of Rewa ruled the princely state of that name, within British India. In 1947, the last Raja of Rewa acceded to newly-independent India. [edit] Solanki rulers of Gujarat Mulraj I (942/960-995/997). Chamundaraj (c.995 -c.1010) Vallabharaj (c.1010) Durlabharaj (1009-1021). Bhimdev I (1021-1063). Son of Durlabharaj. Karandev I (1063-1093). Son of Bhimdev I. "Siddhraj" Jaysinh I (1093-1143) Kumarpal (1143-1173). Descendant of Karandev I. Ajavapal. Son of Kumarpal. (c.1171-c.1176) Mulraj II (c.1176-c.1178) Bhimdev II (c.1178-1242). Jaysinh II (c. 1223) -co-ruler of Bhimdev II Tribuvanpal (1242-1244)
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 0:43:49 GMT -5
See, How the same Gujjars holding very big territories, when established the small territories in the name of their respective Gujjar Gotras, were called as rajputs. This is an example of the same. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BagelkhandBagelkhand From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Bagelkhand (or Baghelkhand) is a region in central India, in northeastern Madhya Pradesh state. It includes the Madhya Pradesh districts of Anuppur, Rewa, Satna, Shadol, Sidhi, and Umaria, and the adjacent Uttar Pradesh district of Sonbhadra. The Baghels, who give their name to the region, are a branch of the Solanki Rajputs who once ruled in Gujarat and migrated eastward in the 13th century. Vyaghra Dev was the first Solanki ruler who came to this area from Gujarat and established his rule. Vyaghra is Sanskrit word which means Bagh in Hindi. The descendants of Vyaghra Dev are known as Baghels. Bagelkhand Agency was a collection of princely states in British India. The agency was established in March 1871. Until that date Bagelkhand was under the Bundelkhand agency, with which it is geographically and historically connected. From 1871 to 1933 Bagelkhand agency was under the political superintendence of the Governor-General of India's agent for Central India, and under the direct jurisdiction of a political agent who was also superintendent of the Rewa state, residing ordinarily at Satna or Rewa. The agency consisted of Rewa state and eleven minor states and estates, of which the more important were Maihar, Nagod and Sohawal. The other states were Jaso, Kothi, Baraunda, Paldeo, Kamta-Rajaula, Taraon, Pahra, and Bhaisaunda. The total area was 14,323 square miles, and the population in 1901 was 1,555,024, a decrease of 11% over the previous decade, due to the results of famine. The rainfall was very deficient in 1895-1897, causing famine in 1897; and in 1899-1900 there was drought in some sections. In 1931, the eleven smaller states were transferred to Bundelkhand Agency, and in 1933 the agency was dissolved, and Rewa state was placed under the authority of the Resident of Indore. After Indian independence in 1947, the princely states that made up the Bagelkhand Agency were merged with Rewa to form Vindhya Pradesh state, which was in turn merged into Madhya Pradesh on November 1, 1956.
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Post by KPS Gujjar on Apr 20, 2006 1:03:14 GMT -5
Hi A. P. Singh and all Gujjars, One of my Mausi (My Mother's mama's daughter) is married to a GUJJAR family in Benaras (Varanasi). Till then I had no clue that GUJJARs are there in Eastern U.P., though I did B.E. from that region. I was surprised to know that there are lots of GUJJAR villages. In the wedding ceremony I came to know from a relative of Maharaja Ranjit Singh Judev (Gujjar), that the king of Tehri (Uttranchal) is also Gujjar .
Regards KPS Gujjar
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 2:53:02 GMT -5
Hi KPS,
I know many Gujjars who are at the top of the world but without their permission can not bring them in to this discussion. That must be true with all the Gujjars here. That is why I ony discuss the glorious history of Gujjars here which belong to each and every one of gujjars here. You see, Sardar Patel is never identified on caste lines in India but identified as Iron Man of India. We all know how he dominated all the erstwhile kings of India to bring them under the banner of Union Republic of India. It is all because he was a man of great character and very strong will and to have these qualities one need to have very good family values and genes inherited from his forefathers who were the real overlords, the Gurjar Pratihars
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Post by KPS Gujjar on Apr 20, 2006 4:35:12 GMT -5
Hello A. P. Singh, Yes you are right. Tomorrow I am going home, and I will bring the literature my father collected regarding our origin and heritage. I will share with you all, what ever I will come to know. A.P. Singh ji, are you registered at www.gurjarsonline.com ? I came to know about the site recently, and I am a frequent visitor (and a member). I would really appreciate, if you post these historical literature at that site also. I can also do this (will copy from here and post there) but the thing is I wish someone learned better do the job. A.P.Singh ji, who are KURMIs ? KURMIs also share "Patel" surname, they say that Sardar Patel was a KURMI, though I debated to the best of my knowledge that his ancestors migrated from Punjab to Gujrat and they were GUJJARs. Please don't take it otherwise he was a MAN, not to be discussed on caste basis, still I would like to know. Regards KPS Gujjar
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 5:00:27 GMT -5
Hi KPS, I don't visit other sites. You may please copy this literature from here and post anywhere you like since any literature posted on Internet becomes the public property and I no longer remains the owner of it. Regarding Sardar Patel you should read the book "The indomitable Sardar" written by KL Punjabi (ICS) who has servers under Sardar Patel in the home ministry. He has given the complete details about the Sardar Patels family how they migrated from to Gujarat. He has also written a beautiful paragraph about gujjars. This book is published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan and this kind of reputed Institutions don't publish literature which is not true.
I don't recommend you to read this book only to confirm that Sardar Patel was a Gujjar but it will help you to achieve greatness in your life since you will learn may values and qualities which are not available in other books.
One more great quality about him was that he was totally selfless. If he insisted he would have been the first Prime Minister of India.His services were available to the country whether he is made a Prime Minister or not but Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru made it clear to Gandhiji that he would be available only if he is made a prime minister. This fact is recently brought in to picture by the grandson of Mahatama Gandhi. That is the reason Sardar Patel became the first Dy. PM of India and the Home Minister.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 5:06:12 GMT -5
Hi KPS, I don't visit other sites. You may please copy this literature from here and post anywhere you like since any literature posted on Internet becomes the public property and I no longer remains the owner of it. Regarding Sardar Patel you should read the book "The indomitable Sardar" written by KL Punjabi (ICS) who has served under Sardar Patel in the home ministry. He has given the complete details about the Sardar Patels family how they migrated from Punjab to Gujarat. He has also written a beautiful paragraph about gujjars. This book is published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan and this kind of reputed Institutions don't publish literature which is not true.
I don't recommend you to read this book only to confirm that Sardar Patel was a Gujjar but it will help you to achieve greatness in your life since you will learn may vertain values and qualities which are not available elsewhere.
One more great quality about him was that he was totally selfless. If he insisted he would have been the first Prime Minister of India.His services were available to the country whether he is made a Prime Minister or not but Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru made it clear to Gandhiji that he would be available only if he is made a prime minister. This fact is recently brought in to picture by the grandson of Mahatama Gandhi. That is the reason Sardar Patel became the first Dy. PM of India and the Home Minister.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 5:20:12 GMT -5
Hi PKS, One more facts about Patels nad Gujjars that all the Patels are not Gujjars like all the Rajputs are not Gujjars but only the Rajputs who share the Gotras with Gujjars are Gujjars.
Sardar Patel was a Lewa Patel and all Lewa Patel are Gujjars.Lewa is gotra among Gujjars.
The Lewa and khari are two brach of Gujjars who were living in Lahore in Punjab sometime before the attack of Huns and migrated to Rajasthan and Gujarat later. I have some personal friends who are Lewa Gujjars from Gujarat and M.P. Border area. District Hoshangabad is one such place in MP which is full of Lewa Gujjar Patels.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 6:50:52 GMT -5
Hi Gujjars/Rajputs See the the following link how the Chandra vanshi Rajputs are to origininated from the great Bhoja (The Mihir Bhoja the great). These Suravanshi, Chandravanshi, Agnivanshi etc. could have been named after great Gujjars like this one. www.templenet.com/Articles/Abhaneri.htmlAbhaneri is an ancient village in Rajasthan, famous for its post-Gupta or early medieval monuments. This village has contributed numerous pieces of sculpture to various museums worldwide. Abhaneri is situated on the Ahmedabad Delhi railway line, near Bandikui in Jaipur district. According to the locals, the village is so called because, the local Goddess Harshat Mata is shown portrayed in a joyous mood and spreads brightness or abha all around. The village's original name was Abha Nagri, and its name today is Abhaneri. The village is said to have been founded by the legendary king Raja Chand and thus the village could be over three thousand years old. However, it is felt that the mythological Raja Chand could be King Bhoja, who ruled over the Gurjar kingdom in the ninth century AD. The ruins of the temple conform to 10th century architectural and sculptural styes. The Harshat Mata temple dates back to the tenth century AD and is placed under the protection of the Archeological Department of the Government of India. Daily worship is offered to the deity in the temple. The temple is in ruins and pieces of sculpture showing a fine degree of craftmanship lie strewn around. The image above is that of a carved pillar in the temple.An annual fair held in honor of Harshat Mata lasts three days and numerous devotees and merchants gather from neighboring villages. This village also boasts of another 10th century monument - The Chand Baori, a vast well with flights of steps on three sides.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 6:58:25 GMT -5
There are millions of links available like this one about the glorious history of Gujjars spaned from Sindh to Karnataka and Bangala Desh to Maharashtra. So nobody can steal the history from anybody atleast in this age of information technolgy. www.mysterindia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=53570 kms away from Agra, Bateshwar is essentially a temple town, situated on the bank of the holy river Yamuna. The name Bateshwar appears to have been derieved from Vateshwarnath, one of the many names of Lord Shiva who is the presiding diety of this pilgrim town. Flanked by the holy Yamuna, Bateshwar has a plethora of temples, once totalling to 101. Out of these 42 temples still stand here. The beauty of this pilgrim town is its long line of Ghats dotted with a series of temples. Some of the temples's ceilings still retain their beautiful original frescoes painted with traditional vegetable paints. The pilgrim town finds references in old scriptures like Ramayan, Mahabharat, Matsya Puran etc. From 8th century to 17th century, it remained an important town under the Gurjar, Chandela and Bhadawar kings. The illustrious King Badan Singh of Bhadawar kings. The illustrious King Badan Singh of Bhadawar dynasty shifted his capital from Mai to Bateshwar about 400 years ago. The present temples are said to be constructed by him. The Jain scriptures too contain descriptions of Bateshwar. According to legends, the 22nd Tirthankar Lord Neminath, was born here. Presently there are several beautiful Jain temples here. Bateshwar is also famous for its annual Cattle Fair, which is now almost four centuries old. It is held between Bateshwar and Mai today, also at the same site which was earmarked by King Badan Singh for the fair. It is the biggest and the most spectacular cattle fair held in northern India. Places of Interest : Bateshwarnath Temple : This is the main temple of Bateshwar wherein an ancient Shiva linga is enshrined. The spectacular evening Arti with ringing of the bells and blowing of conch shells offers a soul-stirring experience. River Front : The long river front of Yamuna with facinating rows of temples at bateshwar is worth seeing. Other attractions are Bhimeshwar Temple, Narmadeshwar Temple, Moteshwar temple, Jageshwar Temple, Panchmukhi Yati Temple, Gaurishankar Temple, Pataleshwar Temple, Mandal temple, Bihariraj temple and the ruins of the old palace of Mai.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 20, 2006 7:05:57 GMT -5
Another way to find more information about our forefathers is find temples made by them like this: www.isp.msu.edu/asianstudies/wbwoa/southasia/india/culture/architecture.htmlThe Prathiharas (647- 1200 AD) Temples of Osian, near Jodhpur, Rajasthan The temples of Osian, near modern Jodhpur in Rajasthan are among the earliest medieval temples built by the Pratiharas in the eighth century. There are fifteen Hindu temples and shrines, and a cluster of Jain temples (11th century), built during the Gurjara Pratihara dynasty between the 8th and the 12th. The temples are built in red sandstone have intricate carvings on their walls, pillars and shikhars. The are dedicated to Harihara - the symbolic union of Hindu gods Vishnu and Shiva, to the Sun God and Shakti (mother goddess). The temples built during the early 8th century had smaller shrines, about eight feet tall. The shikhara had become a crowning feature of the temples and Hindu architecture at this time. The builders of Osians are credited for adding the mandapa (open assembly hall supported on column) to the temples.
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