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Post by mazhar gujjar on Mar 18, 2006 0:24:37 GMT -5
khan kamran khan,
assal.a mo alaikum
i could not know about ur biraderi. because you praised arains butts pathans and
rajputs same time but at the same time you write bad about gujjars.please tell me
what is ur problem with gujjars.are gujjar not muslim or not pakistani.why u feel
jealousy from gujjars.if gujjars are only gawalas why u feel jealousy.if we praise
gujjar bcoz this is the website of gujjars.please see the websites of ur lovely tribes
like arains, butts ,jutts ,pathans and rajputs.everyone praise his biraderi.its a record
no gujjar enter in any other biraderi,s website.bcoz we dont be jealous from others.
everyone have right to discuss about themselve in their home(website).
we dont want to say bad any other tribe.i only tell u about our gujjar biraderi.
i accept our most gujjars were related with the business of milk.we had buffaloes
and horses and only a gujjar biraderi which proud on it.bcoz its a symbol of bravery
not only in punjab but also in the world.cowboy is a symbol of bravery in the whole
world.if we see islamic relegion our prophet muhammad(peace be upon him)were also
related with this profession.not only our prophet ,most prophets related with this
profession. hero will be only from a cowboy and a grazier.you said that u have done
m.a.and u have read histry.i say u did not read history.have you read any hero
who was plucking onions.have u read any hero who was polishing shoes.have u
read any hero was a barbour or mochi(rajputs).for ur knowledge most mochis nais
called them rajputs. i know u r also a rajput.because only rajputs have no identification.
they use different words for their recognization.they use chaudhary,rana,rao,raiy
and also khan. i dont say other tribes but rajputs realy feel much much inferiority
complex. so they use different words for their satisfaction.they r living in dreams.
they do not think the words cannot make a man like the words.history told that
the word rana, rao ,rai were only used by gujjar kings.rajput is not a biraderi.
what is mean of rajput.clearly the son of the king.is son of king a biraderi.
who was the king? what was the biraderi of the king?
the king was gujjar only. khan kamran khan please read history.
travell indian rajasthan(rajputs homeland) and see the stones of different kings
in the museums. every king said himself gujjar king.
now the rajputs says that gujjars are also superior rajputs.they feel ashame to
call the gujjars the father of rajputs.bcoz gujjars are gawalas.khan kamran khan
is it good to not accept ur father bcoz he is a gawala.
khan kamran khan dont be hesitate.buffaloes and horses are a symbol of bravery.
you r a punjabi. have u not heard this punjabi statement..
" majhan ghar varriaman dey tey ghorrey ghar sultanan dey".
you have said about films. most gujjar films have been made by others.
only some films have been made by gujjars.the film ziddi rajput and arain da khadak
have been made by their own tribes.
GUJJAR FILMS POPULALITY IS SO MUCH.
WORLD,S MOST POPULAR FILM" HARD TARGET" WHEN HAS IMPORT IN PAKISTAN
IT HAS GIVEN THE NAME" AMERICAN GUJJAR" FOR SUCCESSFULL BUSINESS.
WHY THE IMPORTER NAMED THE FILM AMERICAN RAJPUT.
BCOZ ONLY GUJJAR IS ACCEPTED AS HERO IN PAKISTAN.
U HAVE SAID ABOUT NISHA N E HAIDER,
DO U KNOW THIS AWARD HAD BEEN PRODUCED AFTER THE BRAVERY OF A GUJJAR
MAJOR TUFAIL SHAEED NISHA N E HAIDER.
we dont claim that we have five like rajputs.
khan kamran khan ur jealousy from gujjars is right.
bcoz u rajputs have stand on the history of gujjars .how can u accept them.
but kamran khan become a real soldier and accept the reality.
dont mind kamran khan.u r my pakistani and muslim brother.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 18, 2006 1:20:22 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, 1.The Rajputs who till the 10th century were mostly local feudal lords holding the status of revenue collectors for their Gurjara-Pratihara overlords, asserted-- www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/landrajput.html Actually Rajputs sharing the Gotras with Gujjars like chauhans, Solanki, Tanwars, Parmars belong to gujjar clan and were their fuedatories earlier and others Rajputs not sharing the gotras with Gujjars were their vassals.You may read the Annals and atiquities of Rajastahn written by Col. Jamed Todd where at number of places he mentioned that Rathors and Kushwahas were Vassals of Gurjar Pratihars. . 2. The Delhi was founded by Gujjar Tanwars. Tanwars in Delhi are called as Gujjars and in Gwalior are called as Rajputs and originally belong to the same Gujjar tribe and were one of the fuedatories king of their Gujjar Pratihars overlords. See the following link for proof. Haryana region the Tomara originally feudatories of the Gurjara-Pratihara founded the city of Dhillika (Delhi) in 736 kshatryas.tripod.com The bhatti share a gotra with Gujjars. Hence Raja ram Bhatti was either a Gujjar is his period of rule was before 10th. century. If he ruled swat after 10th. century, he could have been refrred in history as a Rajput. Since Bhattis share this gotra with their imperial Gujjar overlords, they are sure be Rajputs of Gujjar origin
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 18, 2006 2:08:49 GMT -5
Hi Mazhar, Though differ on certain issues and agree with Chaudhary Younas but really appreciate your concern for the upliftment of your own people. In India there was a film Sholay. In actual life Gabbar Singh was a Gujjar and a bad man as well.Mohar Singh ( a Gujjar of Pratihar Gotra) was a wresteler and he defeated many wrestlers including the one who was supported by Gabbar Singh in one of the bouts. Gabbar Singh insulted the father of Mohar Singh to take the revenge. That was the turning point in the life of Mohar Singh and he became a dacoit ( are called as baghis in Chambal valley and are respected a lot among local people). As far as films are concerned Sholay was a Golden jubilee hit and the actor who played the role Gabbar Singh and Mohar Singh became most sought after in the film industry. But who are the real sufferer. The gujjars, the real heros in real life.Why? because of lack of guidance and education. Hence education is very important. With little bit of education gabbar Singh would have been a gentleman and Mohar Singh (Having all the imperial genes and blood of imperial Gujjars) would have been a geart asset to the country.
In pakistan take the example of Jagga Gujjar. Probably Jagga tax is named after him. In one of the website Jats and rajputs were fighting each other claiming that Jagga belonged to them. The kind of brave people like jagga are no ordinary people and they inborn with indomitable genes of their forefathers.But with the proper guidance and education he could have been one of best General in the Pakistan army. With education I dont necessarily mean by having Ph.Ds since some people even by having that remains fools without proper family values.In Gujjars we have very strong family values.Like for the sake of the respect of his father Mohar Singh turned to be dacoit, but he was a man of strong passion and great character. In Chambal valley there is a saying that if a Lion is drinking the water from the river and Mohar Singh, a gujjar, desires to drink the same at the same time , it is the lion who has to leave. To have this kind of intelligence ,stamina, Built, power and courage, he was blessed with Gujjar genes. Mohar Singh later layed his arms alongwith his 400 strong gang before Jai Prakash Narayan, a social reformer and presently serving as mayor of his Home Town in M.P.
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Post by mazhar gujjar on Mar 18, 2006 15:11:15 GMT -5
hi ap singh and other gujjars,
i dont praise badmash and dacoits but i praise the people who love the name gujjar.
i did not said u to make film on gabhar singh or mohar singh.
i want to say make film on freedom fighters like kalua gujjar,aiman padhan gujjar,
sardar kaley khan gujjar who killed general nickalson.
if mangal panday who did not fight like those personalities become a role for films
why real freedom fighters cannot be.
i have read in a website that kalua gujjar is the first freedom fighter of indian history. but because he belongs to a backward community so he is ignored.
its only one example we have not only hundered examples but also thousands.
from our ignorance they have been ignored by others.till we gawalas for others.
my heart burns when i come on the forums of educated people.
educated gujjars do not do anything but discussions only and critisize the people
who r doing something. riaz gujjar and other illiterate people do as they can.
what we have done for our identity.
i had said that a gujjar film should be made in india on gujjars.
i did not think any gujjar will oppose this.
bcoz a gujjar cannot be jealous to see a gujjar as hero in a film.
uski mukhalifat aisey shuru hoi jaisey india waley merey kehney pur film bananey
key leay tayyar bethey hain.
i want to tell indian gujjars that in this discussion some persons have given impression
that in pakistan gujjarms character is as villon. this impression absolutely wrong.
i have no source to send u that films. there is no film in which gujjar is a villon.
bcoz people do not accept a gujjar as villon. most films are based on real story.
in the films a gujjar fight against injustice and against bad people.
many people of other tribes feel jealousy from gujjars and these films.
but i dont know why some gujjars standing in the line of the people who jealous from
these films.
its a reality that film makers in pakistan are not so educated like indians.they dont know
about kalua gujjar and many other gujjars.its the duty of educated gujjars to tell them
that gujjars not only badmash but also great freedom fighters.
its
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Post by khan Kamran khan on Mar 19, 2006 9:43:52 GMT -5
Choudhay Mazhar Gujjar.
I am Afridi Pathan by caste, but being in Army I have lots of Rajput friends. And you know Pathan respect their friends like their own brothers. I will reply your post within two days, with historical proofs. For the time I am very busy.
Take care.
Bye
Khan kamran khan.
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Post by khan Kamran khan on Mar 19, 2006 9:46:53 GMT -5
Choudhay Mazhar Gujjar.
I am Afridi Pathan by caste, but being in Army I have lots of Rajput friends. And you know Pathan respect their friends like their own brothers. I will reply your post within two days, with historical proofs. For the time being I am very busy. I think rajputs don't come on your site or they don't use the same language that jats use for you and you use for Jats.
Take care.
Bye
Khan kamran khan.
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Post by CHTARIQ GUJJAR on Mar 19, 2006 12:08:05 GMT -5
MR.KHAN, YOU ARE GONE SO NO COMMENTS. CH.TARIQ GUJJAR
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Post by CHTARIQ GUJJAR on Mar 19, 2006 13:31:57 GMT -5
MR.A.P.SINGH, RAJPUTS AND JUTTS MUST BE FIGHTING ON JAGGA BUT THAT JAGGA WAS A SIKH IN BRITISH TIMES.JAGGA GUJJAR FAMILY IS PROUD SYMBOL OF LAHORE.FILMS LIKE JAGGA GUJJAR,VEHSHI GUJJAR, JAGGA TAX NEARLY SEVEN FILMS ARE ON JAGGA GUJJAR.ACTUALLY PAKISTANIS GUJJARS PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CAN NEVER PRAISE RAJPUTS.THEY ARE FOLLOWERS OF GURJAR RANA ALI HASSAN CHAUHAN.YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU CANT BE AGREE WITH US BECAUSE IT NEEDS A LOT OF COURAGE BECAUSE WE THINK IN NEXT TIMES ONLY THOSE PERSONS MAY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WHOSE CAN USE BOTH PEN AND WEAPENS .YOU ALWAYS PRAISE RAJPUTS WHY THEY USE THE FILM MEDIA .IF THEY SHOW THEM A LANDLORD ALSO SHOW THEM A DACIOT.THIS HISTORICAL LOLLYPOP OF RAJPUT WAS GIVEN BY BRITISH BUT YOU ARE STILL SUCKING IT.LOVE YOUR RAJPUT BROTHERS WHO SE ONLY RESPECT INFRONT OF YOU AFTER YOUR BACK OR IN ABSENCE ALWAYS CALL YOU "COW GRAIZIERS"BUT YOU CAN STILL LOVE AND PRAISE THEM WE HAVE NO OBJECTION,CARRY ON.AND REMEMBER THERE SO MANY TANWAR GUJJARS IN MP TOO.IF YOU HAVE THE SAME SUBCASTE OF ANY OTHER CASTE IT NOT MEANS THAT WE BOTH ARE OF SAME STOCK.OUR GURJAR ANCESSTORS NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE WORD GURJAR TO THE SONS FROM OTHER CASTE .IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CASTISM WHICH WAS RUINED BY THOSE RAJPUTS WHO GAVE THEIR DAUGHTERS TO MUSLIM INVADERS .WE ARE MUSLIMS BUTT STILL WE NIT GIVE OUR DAUGTERS TO OTHER MUSLIMS .HOW CAN WE SAME. WE CANT FIND THIS WORD IN HISTORY BEFORE 12TH CENTURY.IF THEY WERE THE RULLERS OF WHOLE INDIA THAN WHY THERE IS NO AREA IS AFTER THEIR NAME(EXCEPT RAJPUTANA WHICH WAS GIVEN BY BRITISH). THIS WORD WAS NEVER A PART OF ANY RAJAS NAME.PLEASE AWAYS LOOK ON THE DIFFERENCE OF RAJPUT AND RAJKUMAR. ALWAYS LOVE YOUR RAJPUT BROTHERS. (FRIEND OF LAHORI GUJJAR) CH.TARIQ GUJJAR.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 20, 2006 2:18:19 GMT -5
Hi Tariq, I am sorry that without much knowledge about Jagga Gujjar, I have written my comments.Thank you for the information.It is really a matter of great pride for all of us since Jagga, a Sikh Gujjar must have terrorised the British forces for the cause of freedom like Kalua, a Muslim Gujjar did in Dehradun and the fact is recorded by Mr.H.C. Williams in the Gazetteer of Dehra Dun of 1890: During the erstwhile British regime. During the middle of the 19th century a Gujjar called Kalua had terrorised the British forces for years by his constant attacks upon them. He did not trouble the local Indians but was a constant threat to the British forces. Such was the fear the British had of him that when finally he was captured his head was severed and stuck on a pole outside the jail for a month as an abject lesson to the local population not to oppose their 'masters'. This was before the first war of independence or as the Britishers preferred to call it 'the sepoy mutiny'. As a matter of fact Kalua was one of the first freedom fighters of the country.
In Meerut region , Jhanda, a Hindu Gujjar also terrorised the British forces and his acts for bravery became the part of folklores here-
Jhanda Gujjar Dake Dale. Angrejo ki Gaddi Hale.
The story of Kalua also shows that how fearful were british of Gujjars and how they punished Gujjars when others who serverd them as servants/maid servants were rewarded.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 20, 2006 2:40:03 GMT -5
Hi Mazhar, You are right. Being a Gujjar brother and without meeting with each other this much of communication gap is to be accepted. You are right that there must be films on freedom fighters. But In India though the most of the elections are fought on caste lines, this is not very popular to make films by caste names. Here in India though we marry in our own caste and avoid the gotras of self, mother, grandmother and maternal grandmother, irrespective of the religion, we mix very well with others and dont unnecessarily assert ourself on caste lines. regards. AP Singh
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