gujar gotras in pakistan--FOR UDHY

[YOUNAS GUJJAR]

DEAR UDHY


yes, Cauhan gujjars are populated in Punjab, Hazara, Kasmir in a large number.mostly the name of gujjar villages are named after thier respective gitras

other gotras which i know in Pakistan are as under

poswal,Salumber, chechi, bhadana, kalis,noon, gorsi,bhalot,kataria,salik,shola,bajarr,jagal,daidharr,dhakkarr,meelu,khari,thikriya,bhatia,bhomley,kohli,morr ser, and there a large list of gotras about 600 are populated here.

dear Udhy, a large number gujjars also migrated from Hoshyar pur, Ambala,u.p,Amritsar,Gurdaas pur, Ajnala, Ludhyana,Jalendhar etc who are settled in Punjab here and thier generations are well established and educated possessing highly distintive posts in all sphere of life.

[AP Singh]

Hi Younas,
Are there Gujjars in Pakistan having Dhama gotra or Pundir Gotra? In fact I am analysing how this conversion from Gujjars to Muslim Gujjars and Gujjars to Hindu Rajput or Muslim Rajput might have taken place.
Thanking you with regards.
AP Singh

[Gujjar]

Hi folks!

There is a Gujjar gotra called "bokra" in Pakistan (gujrat) those anbody has any kind of informatin on this gotra?

[Mansingh Gurjar]

HI Younas Bhai,

Yes, there is a gotra called "Bokan" in Rajasthan. I think it is the same Bokra gotra as mentioned by you .
Mansingh Gurjar
Dausa (Rajasthan)

[YOUNAS GUJJAR]

caste system of india....


Origin of Caste System in India?

Thanks Vanaire,
Much study on the origin of castes in India have been done. But all of them are in the form of articles in the journals and they have not been synthesised into one book. Mostly, because the book writing is controlled by the people who do not want the true history of India written as it will contradict their own works.

But still there are some research books on the origin of Rajputs. The important thing to note is that Rajputs and Muslims appear at the same time at the north-west India. The word Rajput was not used before that. The Rajputs were functional equivalent of the previous Kshatrias, but Ratput was a caste and Kshatria was a class. People have traced the ancestry of the various Rajput families and clans to pre-caste eras ( it is easier to study the Rajputs because much of the Vanshavalis are available, which is not the case with other castes).

For quite some period, while the castes were forming, Varna was also surviving. When the varnas vanished, there was a functional vacuum created.

Group formation is a normal social behaviour of man. Groups have always been there in all ages and in all the human settlements. During the Vedic period, such groups were called 'jan' like Bharat, Kuru, Panchala, Puru, etc and these were in most ofthe cases indicative of the district or province. In the 6th century BC we find Lichchavi, Shakya, Kuru, Panchala, Vatsa, Malla etc provinces and the people of these areas were also identified with these names of the provinces which acted as a sub-ethnicity. But gotra-exogamy and clan-exogamy were practiced aggressively and more distant the couple were by blood, the more favoured the marriage was, and caste formation did not take place. Each geographical clan contributed to the four professional classes. Although clan identity was maintained, the class identity dominated, as it happens in any developed society, and it prevented people from clan based ethnic group formation. In any developed society, people are more conscious of their professional groups and professional associations than their distant kith and kin. Reverse is true of a primitive society. India of those days was more advanced than India of 20th century in many respects.

When the recurrent foreign invasions thoroughly shook up Indian society the Varva system was broken down. Varna system involved education and training as a brahmachari leading to graduation into a grihastha of a particular professional class (varna). The turmoil of invasions was so severe that the educational systems were disrupted, and classes disintegrated in the absence of training facilities. In the absence of proper education and knowledge of vedic principles regarding marriage, intra-clan endogamy started taking place among most of the people and over centuries it became established so much that the clans became converted into castes. These days, majority of Hindu castes ( namely the so called lower castes ) marry within their own clan and gotra which in practice, is their caste or sub-caste now. This is one of the reasons of such a large number of castes in India.

A brief review of the origin of the Rajputs will be a good starting point in the process of understanding the origin of the caste system. The origine of the Rajput caste is very complicated. But I will try my best to make it understandable.

A large number of soldiers died defending the motherland and more soldiers were needed to continue the struggle. The country quickly responded. People from all sources joined the rank of worriers. This period would be from tenth century to a few centuries later. During this period, more and more people join the warrior profession. These all people are called Rajput.

Earlier these people belonged to various varnas depending on their profession. We will verify this fact with the help of some references. "Firstly a major part of the influential Brahmanas had adopted political and military career and as time rolled on they came to be recognised as Rajputs." (Shyamsundar Nigam, 'Social Chananges in Rajsthan and Malwa' in The Journal of the Bihar Puravid Parishad, pp 101, vol XI-XII ). Dr Dashrath Sharma ( Rajsthan Through the Ages, pp 105 ) tells us that the origin of the Solankis, Parmaras, the Guhilas and the Chahmanas ( Rajput clans) was from the Brahmanas. But we also know from the works of other scholors that the Solanki and Parmaras were descendants of the Gurjaras who came to India from Iran in large numbers in pre-Islamic period. It appears that the immigrant Gurjar population was absorbed into the Hindu society and they could belong to the Varna of their profession. That all the Gurjars did not become Rajputs is evident from the fact that there is a separate Gujjar caste which is considered OBC (backward) in the North India and Pakistsn ( surname Gujral belongs to Gujjar caste). Also there is a scheluded tribe in Himachal Pradesh known as Gujjar. And it is also interesting to note that in Rajsthan there is a caste Gurjar Brahmana which is considered a very high caste Brahmana.

It appears that the ethnic Gurjars were able to enter into the various varnas depending on their profession. But when the varna system was broken down after the establishment of Muslim rule in India, the various groups became fixed castes, not able to change any more. The same is true of other Rajput clans as well. Sisodia dynasty ( the family of Rana Pratap) was founded by a Brahmana. It is interesting to note that there are many Sisodias who are not Rajputs but they are an OBC. Similarly there is are Guhila or Guhilaut Rajputs and there is a Guhilaut scheduled caste (paswan) also. Guhadatta, the legendary ancestor of the Guhilas was a Brahmana.

It is interesting to study the clans of the Rajputs. There are more than a hundred clans of Rajputs. The clans are strictly exogamous, and marriage within the clan amounts to incest and is punished by excommunication. Some of the clans are Huna, Rathor, Gonda, Kushwaha, Koli ( or Kole), Bais (vaishya?), Sisodia, Chauhan, Guhilaut, Tomar, Chandel ete. During my study, I found that there is one or more non-Rajput caste with the same name as the Rajput clan for almost all the Rajput clans. For example there is a Chandel caste in the central India and Bihar. The Rajput Chandel and the OBC Chandel both accept Jarasandha and other Chandravamshi Kings as their ancestors. But there is a great difference. The Chandel Rajputs are exogamous, a marriage of a Chandel man with a chandel lady being absolutely prohibited and incestuous. On the other hand the Chandel caste is an endogamous unit, a Chandel man marrying a Chandel woman as a rule. Same is true of all the castes which bear the name of a Rajput clan, like Rathore caste (teli), Kushwaha caste (koeri) etc. The conversin of the royal family of Kashmir from Dogra caste into Dogra Rajput is quite late. In the absence of much deep study made regarding the various castes, much of valuable information can be gained about the castes and clans by regularly studying the adverts in the matrimonial column of the north Indian magazines.

From this information we can derive that at the time of Muslim invasion into India, the Hindu varnas disappeared leaving people grouped as thousands of clans or sub-ethnicities. Many of the members of these clans became warriors against invading forces. These warrior groups united into a forum Rajput ( I feel its etymology is Rajya Putra, son of the nation; not Raja Putra, son of the king, which is absurd). Now, these people retained one social practice of the Hindu ancients, clan exogamy. Later they lost connections with their original clans. As time passed, the clans became independent endogamous castes and the people who entered the Rajput federation became exogamous clans of the Rajput caste.

Some of the clans of Rajputs, like Gond and Koli or Kole, sound similar to the central Indian tribes with the same name. Nadeem Hasnain has written quite a few books on Indian anthropology and a book on Tribal India Today. He notes that conversion of central Indian tribes into into Rajput was an ongoing process till quite recently. The richer tribal felt more proud in becoming a Rajput. He just needed to find out a Brahmana who would explain to him the systems and customs of marriage etc and probably also frame his lineage and gotra. The tribals of central India are all totem exogamous as well as clan exogamous. Hence they had no difficulty in conversion.

Thus we see that by adopting the practice of clan exogamy, even at the time of disintegration of Hindu society into thousands of small small castes, Rajputs could emerge as the largest single caste of India with widest geographical distribution and a solid inter-clan solidarity, strong enough to resist the invasion and survive.

Hindus do not know the customs and practices of a caste other than their own even if they have lived in neighbourhood for generations. This is because the practices and customs of various castes are so different that one would not imagine. Nothing is recorded. It will be a good practice for a student of caste system to ask questions to any elderly (preferably rural) about their caste, gotra, Kula Devata, prefferred amd prohibited marriages, customs of marriage, divorce, remarriage of widows and divorced women etc. Then to recollect and summarise the information in the form of articles.



YOUNAS GUJJAR

[Cheachi Gujjar]

in pakistan The Villages & cities on the name of Gujjars gotra are which i know :
Cities:Kharian,Gujrat,GujarKhan,Cheachian,Panjen Kasana
Villages:Awana,Boken,Cheachian

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a question please:
is anybody now about the history of CHEACHI GUJJARS???
and
is any now any Cheachi RULER or King???

thx

[ashokharsana1]

Hi Chechi Gurjar Ji.

How can you forget GurjarKhani, Gojara and most important "Lahore" which was named after Lohmor Gurjars,

Regards
Ashok Harsana

[Gujjar]

Mansingh said:

HI Younas Bhai,

Yes, there is a gotra called "Bokan" in Rajasthan. I think it is the same Bokra gotra as mentioned by you .
Mansingh Gurjar
Dausa (Rajasthan)

_____________________________________________
Hi again!
Are you sure about that the bokan gotra is the same as bokra ? Becuase there are also gujjar in Pakistan (Gujrat) who have the gotra bokan and that gotra is not the same as bokra. Are there any bokra gujjars in India? Do anybody have any information about the bokra gotra??

[ashokharsana1]

Hello All Gurjars,

Gujjar Bhai..

Bokra gotra sems to be derived from Boken Gotra only.

I have a large list of gurjar Gotras in my Website:

www.gurjar.cjb.net
or
geocities.com/ashokharsana/surnames.html

Even I haven't heard about this Bokra Gotra.

The Word Boke is used for Bakra or Male Goat in Gurjari.
There must be some connection between Bokra and Boken in the past.
But still, Research is needed for the final answer.

Regards
Ashok Harsana

[Gujjar]

ashokharsana1 said:

Hello All Gurjars,

Gujjar Bhai..

Bokra gotra sems to be derived from Boken Gotra only.

I have a large list of gurjar Gotras in my Website:

www.gurjar.cjb.net
or
geocities.com/ashokharsana/surnames.html

Even I haven't heard about this Bokra Gotra.

The Word Boke is used for Bakra or Male Goat in Gurjari.
There must be some connection between Bokra and Boken in the past.
But still, Research is needed for the final answer.

Regards
Ashok Harsana

Thanks you for your answer , great webpage you got there keep it up ;D

[AP Singh]

Hi Younas,
The Sisodia dynasty ( the family of Rana Pratap) was not founded by a Brahmana and this is distorted fact written by people having little knowledge of history. The fact is that the first ruler Guhil was brought up by a Brahmini Nursemaid since his mother bacame sati after giving birth to him and handing over the child to her brahmin nursemaid. Guhil belonged to Gujjar Dynasty(of Solanki Gotra). See the following link.
www.mewarindia.com/ency/guh.html
Guhil, Rawal, recognised as the first ruler of the GUHILOT Dynasty (r. ca 569-603), the royal line that eventually became the Mewar Dynasty. (This enables the dynasty's link to the earliest Rajput warriors and, by tradition, to Lav, elder son of Ram, and Surya the Sun God; see MEWAR'S TRADITIONAL LINEAGE.) Variations of his name are Goha, Gohaditya, Guha, Guhdatt, Guhadatta, and Guhila. He ruled from Idar near the Mewar-Gujarat border. Guhil's origins are not recorded but at least Colonel James TOD in his ANNALS AND ANTIQUITIES OF RAJASTHAN may have been close to the facts when he wrote that Guhil is said to have belonged to the Gurjara stock, kinsmen or allies of the Huns who entered India about the 6th century AD. He founded a kingdom in Rajputana, with its capital at Bhilmal (or Srimal), about 31 km. from Mt. Abu (which is in the general vicinity of Idar). Guhil is thought to have been the posthumous son of the Rajput King Siladitya VI, possibly of the Bala tribe, who ruled Vallabhi in Kathiawar (now modern Gujarat), and Queen PUSHPAVATI. According to legend, he was born while his mother was on a journey across the border in what was to become Mewar, to receive a blessing for her soon-to-be-born child. While she was away, Arab marauders sacked Vallabhi, killing the king and many of his subjects. On receiving the news, Pushpavati went into hiding in the wilderness of the Idar district. There, in a cave, she is said to have given birth to a son who was subsequently named Goha (meaning cave-born). She gave the royal child to Kamlavati, a Brahman nursemaid and left the Captain of her guard to protect him, then committed SATI. Young Goha, or Guhil as he came to be called, was reared in the seclusion and safety of the isolated jungles near the city of Idar, then ruled by the local BHIL chieftain Mandalik. To ensure the continuation of the bloodline, the child's true identity had to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal by the Arab conquerors. For many years, his Brahman nanny, Kamlavati, herself a mother, passed him off as one of her own children; even the boy was ignorant of his noble heritage. He grew up playing games with local Rajput children and Bhil youngsters, killing birds and hunting wild animals. The orphan prince became a constant source of uneasiness to his Brahman protectors and by age 11 was quite unmanageable. But, to use the words of the legend, "How should they hide the ray of the sun?"

[Rawal]

Bappa Rawal was first legend in the Guhil dynasty.

Rawal is gotra of Gujjars and there are 51 villages of Rawal gotra of Gujjars around delhi in Haryana. The Owner of Rawal Public School in one os sattelite town of Delhi in Faridabad are Gujjars of Rawal Gotra. Bappa Rawal,a legend, was born in 6th. century in the same Guhil dynasty of Gujjar Solanki stock.

See a news about Rawal gotra of Gujjars.

www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021115/ncr1.htm

DOWRYLESS MARRIAGES
A ‘people’s movement’ without govt, NGO backing
Pradeep Sharma
Tribune News Service

Panipat, November 14
Even as the NGOs rake in millions in the name of fighting social evils, the anti-dowry campaign of the Rawal Gotra of the district has turned into a “people’s movement” in the whole of Haryana, without government or NGO support.

With another village—Kohand in Karnal district— joining the anti-dowry bandwagon on November 10, the ambitious campaign, which made a modest beginning in Bapoli village a few months back, has picked up momentum.

In fact, at a meeting of the 51 Rawal gotra villages recently, ways and means to include other communities in the “dowryless marriages” were deliberated upon and the villagers, particularly the community leaders were unanimous that the dowry evil should be exterminated.

The sporadic protests by the vested interests notwithstanding, the Rawal leaders are determined to make it a statewide campaign. Mr Ilam Singh Bapoli, panchayat member and driving force behind the campaign, while talking to the ‘NCR Tribune’ claimed that with several villages of Karnal district joining the campaign, the dowryless marriage drive had gained ground in the state.

He warned that the violators would be strictly dealt with.

The penalty includes a social boycott, the severest punishment in the Gujjar community. The very fact that the experiment had been working perfectly for the past several months should be enough to silence the campaign critics, the villagers felt.

At the meeting, however, several useful suggestions were thrown about and certain doubts expressed. Some villagers wanted a check on what they called “under-the-table dowry”, before or after the marriage. Others wanted a sustained anti-dowry campaign and strict action against the violators so that such a path-breaking movement did not lose steam midway. The apathetic attitude of the state government and the NGOs for not helping the campaign crusaders came in for severe criticism at the meeting.

The speakers alleged that while the authorities and NGOs had been promoting the frivolous campaigns, the genuine campaigns were being given the go-by.

It may be noted that the Rawal Gotra had launched this ambitious project with a view to checking dowry and giving relief to the common man. Under an ingenious system developed by the Gujjar community, a marriage, which earlier cost a couple of lakhs, could be solemnised in a couple of hundred rupees. The same was true of the functions after the deaths of elders in the family. And the decision had been widely appreciated by different sections of society, including even the “dowry-takers”, who did not want to come on record for obvious reasons.

Under the system, elaborate guidelines had been worked out by the community for solemnising marriage and other functions.

[Rawal]

Rawal Pindi is named after the Rawal Gotra of Gujjars.

[YOUNAS Gujjar]

Gotra's/Surnames/Clans

This is the only partial listing of the Gotras (Clans, generally known as Got)among the gurjars.
Please help me in increasing this list. If you would like your Gotra to be added in this list or you are aware of some other gotra's which is not there in the given list then, . This list consists of Gotras common among the Hindu gurjars but a few Gotra's are same in Muslim Gurjars.

Gotra Habitat Gotra Habitat
Adhana UP/Haryana Koli UP
Awana UP Kasana Delhi/UP
Bhaisoya UP/Delhi Kuchwaha UP
Bhati UP/Delhi Lohiya/Lohia UP
Boken UP Lodhey UP/Haryana
Bhadana Delhi/Haryana Mavi UP
Bharwal UP/Rajasthan Meelu Punjab
Bhalot Haryana Mulkana UP
Chandel UP/Delhi Nagar Delhi/UP
Chandela Delhi/UP/Haryana Panwar Delhi/UP
Chad All over India Parmar MP
Chauhan UP/Haryana Parihar MP
Chaprana UP Paswal MP/UP
Chokkar Haryana Peelwan UP
Chawada Gujrat Patel Gujrat
Daliya UP/Rajasthan Pratihar MP
Dedhey Delhi Pundeer UP
Devdhar UP Raxwal Delhi
Dhama Haryana Rathi UP
Dhakkar Haryana Rawal Haryana
Gorsi Haryana Rawat Haryana
Gahlot Haryana Rathod UP/Haryana
Harsana Delhi/Haryana Sardhana UP
Hun JK Solanki UP
Johiya Haryana/Rajasthan Tanwar Delhi
Khatana UP/Rajasthan Tongad Haryana
Kaloha Punjab Vaghel Gujrat
Karahana UP Vidhuri Delhi/UP
Khari Delhi/Haryana Verma UP/Delhi
Barod Hayrana/Rajasthan Dayma UP/Haryana
Bassai Haryana/UP Jagal UP/Rajasthan
Bajard Rajasthan Kaamra UP/Haryana
Bais Rajasthan/Haryana Khoobur Punjab
Bhaamde Haryana Munnan Haryana
Bidarwans Rajasthan Noon Haryana/UP
Bosatte Rajasthan Rana Delhi/Haryana
Cheche Punjab/JK Shola Rajasthan
Achhwan UP/Hayana Bosatte/Bashista Delhi/Haryana
Pihilwan Haryana/UP Padana UP/Pakistan
Bansal/Bainsla UP/Rajasthan/haryana Devde UP/Rajasthan
Biduri UP/Delhi Lohmod UP/Delhi/Haryana

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