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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2003 12:45:06 GMT -5
Hi Ali Sher Gurjar.
I read your message and found that you want to know about Jats and Gurjar. Dear brother, you must be aware that see the Indian history of last 500 or 600 years.
There is no mention of word Jats in the Indian History. Jats are the illegitimate children of post-Mahabharat scenario. It is said that in India after the Great Maharabhat War (nearly 3000 BC) thousands and thousand women became Vidhwa (they lost their husbands in the war) but they produced children with illegal husbands.
First they were called as 'Ajaat'(without caste) but with the passage of time, the word 'ajaat' became 'jat' or 'jaat'. This is the true history of Jats people.
Second version is that : Jaats are the products of women raped by Muslim invaders. Brahmins called them 'ajaat' (without caste) but with the passage of time, 'ajaat' became jaat or 'jat'. Third version is that : 'Jats' are said to be brainless people or slow minded people. They were like jad 'root'and root means 'stil' motionless. Hence, word 'jad' i.e. 'root' become 'jatt' or jat.
MR sharma 'thingyj', Shimla India.
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Post by zaki110 on Dec 18, 2003 11:04:25 GMT -5
what is difference between Jat & Gujjar?  ? tell me some major diffrences.......... thx |
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Post by rajendra on Jan 20, 2004 11:31:42 GMT -5
Dear memebrs,
The contents of this posting about jats are derogatory, mischievious and illconcoceived. All it shows is the sick mentality of the person posting such comments. May I ask the gentleman to provide historical or for that matter any evidence to his claims. For a moment if I accept his claim that Jats were born from Post mahabharat widows or from Muslims etc... all it shows is the sick mentality of the person as he has no clue what so ever about Jat history. I am rather ashamed that in society we have such sick minds who are so irresponsible in posting their thoughts.
Rajendra
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Post by vijay on Jan 20, 2004 17:03:41 GMT -5
Hi Gujjars this refers to comment give below by Sanjeev Gujjar. (I am Hindu GUJJAR(Panwar)from Western U.P. India. We are here in a very good population and are rich and strong farmers.I do'nt know how some gujjars in Pak are saying that they are in very poor conditions? ) Well guys I am also a Gujjar and let me tell you some real truth about gujjars in Western U.P. We are in a very bad shape. Our majority of population still lives below the poverty line. And we are considered as backward classes in India. Caste like Jats and Rajputs do not allow us to sit with them as they consider us as real backward caste. Our Role in Farming: As far as gujjars farming background in western U.P is concerned the average land a gujjar boy has in West U.P is 9 Acres which is not haif of as compaired to Jats and Rajputs. In India gujjars are considered as thieves as they used to steal cows and Buffaloes. Some gujjars in Noida (U.P) are rich as they have got the compensation because their land has been acquired by govt. The real farmers in Nothern India are Jats. As they dominate in Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, West U.P., Delhi. Our Fighting Skills: Another imporatant facts about our fightting skills. We are reqesting Inidian Govt to make an Army Regiment in our caste name but it has been denied by the govt. However Rajputs and Jats were invited by Britishers to Join Indian Army and they have their own Regiment. Also note that even in Kargil these two regiments played a major role in winning that war. Please note that real fighters of India are: first is Rajputs, Jats, Maratha, Sikh. This is real fact that these caste use to include Gujjars in their army to take care of their animals. A well known Indian Army general from Raj Rifles has said that Gujjars cannot become fighters as they can only fight with buffaloes not with armed mens. Some people in U.P says that previously gujjars used to do stealing and now they are doing kidnapping. This is the image we have. Only because we do not realize that we are really behind the mainstream in India. Castes like Jats and rajputs have really done lot of progress in all the fields. I am telling these facts to all of you as I am an Historian. Let me tell you that Western U.P is dominated by Jats and their leader Ajit Singh. and Rajasthan is dominated by Jats and Rajputs, Haryana only by jats, Punjab only by Jats. U.P by Rajputs and Yadav, Bihar by Yadav, Himachal by Rajputs, M.P by Rajputs. I do not understand which part of India do we dominate. We are in majority in kashmir only but in bad shape as Indian army treat us very badly. Our Contribution in Politics: We do not have any existence in Indian Politics except Rajesh Pilot however Rajputs has given Prime Minister like V.P Singh, current President and they have number of Cabinet Minister's and Chief Minister's. Jats had their PM Ch Charan Singh and also Fisrt Vice PM of India Devi Lal and also Gyani Jail Singh as President. What do we have? Contribution in history: Our contribution in History is nearly zero as compaired to Rajputs. Rajputs showed the great resistence in war with Mughals. Rajputs also ruled at lots of States in India. Rajputs ruled Rajastahn, Himachal, M.P, Maharashtra for atleast 50 years. So are Jat also as they also have their Bharat Pur estate. Jat Raja Todar Mal ruled U.P, Haryan and Delhi. Jat Raja ranjit Singh ruled Punjab. I do not know which part of India did we rule. Our Role in Cinema: This role is still we can't think off. However Rajputs have ChandraChur Singh, Preety Zinta, RajKumar, RajKumar Santoshi and many more. Jats have Dharmendra, Sunny , Bobby Deol. Mahima Chawdhry, Arjun rampal, Esha Deol, Malika Sehrawat, Himanshu malik and many more. Our role in Sports: Everybody says we are tough guys but I do not know why we are not in Sports. However Rajputs have Yuvraj Singh in Cricket, and 3 players in Indian Hockey Team. Jats have Sehwag, Nehra, harbajan, Kapil Dev and Ajay ratra in cricket and 4 players in Hockey Team like Gangan Sjit Singh and Jugraj Singh. Jats also have the greatest Indian Werstler Dara Singh. Contribution in Crime: We have given lot of criminals like Satveer Gujjar, Mehendra Foji, Mahendra Bhati and madan Bhaiya. even most of these guys were fixed single handedly by D.P Yadav. And now the undisputed criminal of Western U.P are jatan Sirohi, Rakesh Hasanpuria, Sushil Mooch all these guys are Jats. We are not even in crime also. I do not undersatand where our community is going. Let us realize that we are small community in India and have our own limitations. All our criminals were crushed by either jats cops or by some other criminals. Situation is not same with Rajputs and Jats criminals. they are given lot liberty. Our MLA from khekra (U.P) is saving his ass from the cops and do not go out of the village Zavli and all the time looking for Jat Leader Ch Ajit Singh support. Friends I also love my caste however I just tried to bring some hard truth about Gujjars in front of everyone as we are not ready to accept these truth. Let us except these truth and start building our strength the way Rajputs and Jats did. I wish all the best to all of you. Please click on the link below and find that Gujjars in Rajasthan share theie wife with their brotheres also. www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2003/08/31/stories/2003083100250400.htmHow cheap we are. Looking forward to hearing from all of you Best Regards Vijay Raj |
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Post by sandy on Jan 21, 2004 21:19:51 GMT -5
<I>Posted: through www.chawra.com 11/15/2003 2:29:36 AM</I> Hi Ali Sher Gurjar. I read your message and found that you want to know about Jats and Gurjar. Dear brother, you must be aware that see the Indian history of last 500 or 600 years. There is no mention of word Jats in the Indian History. Jats are the illegitimate children of post-Mahabharat scenario. It is said that in India after the Great Maharabhat War (nearly 3000 BC) thousands and thousand women became Vidhwa (they lost their husbands in the war) but they produced children with illegal husbands. First they were called as 'Ajaat'(without caste) but with the passage of time, the word 'ajaat' became 'jat' or 'jaat'. This is the true history of Jats people. Second version is that : Jaats are the products of women raped by Muslim invaders. Brahmins called them 'ajaat' (without caste) but with the passage of time, 'ajaat' became jaat or 'jat'. Third version is that : 'Jats' are said to be brainless people or slow minded people. They were like jad 'root'and root means 'stil' motionless. Hence, word 'jad' i.e. 'root' become 'jatt' or jat. MR sharma 'thingyj', Shimla India. the person who so ever has written this mail does not have any belonginess to the society, dear gentelemn just to let u know that instead of harmonising peace and increasing brotherhood among the human beings u r writing such stupids things. how u people get time to think and write all these things.i would really suggest that u should never repeat an act like that and u should feel sorry for writing all this kind of thing fora community, as our sites says samaj sndesh u should be thinking about the whole samaj as one not of hariajan bhramins and jats and gujjars. really i have no idea that my gujjars brothers also have such a cheap mentality that instead of contributing some thing good to this worls u get tiem to write all this cheap things about a community |
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Post by prakash on Feb 20, 2006 12:03:36 GMT -5
Both, the Jats and the Gujjars should form a joint group. Both the sociaties have almost similar anthropological characters. If united the joint group will be the single largest political force in the northern India, if not the biggest one. If Yadavs are included in this group then perhaps the trio will become the single largest force in whole of the India, to rule India politically. So instead of wasting time and energy fighting amongst ourselves, lets think in unison. Time has come to unite amongst ourselves. See how Brahmins, Rajputs etc are getting united leaving behind the sub-caste amongst themselves. It is the old policy of the higher castes to divide and rule. When Choudhary Devilal was defying rajput PM V P Singh, V P Singh implemented Mandal Commission, only to get the backward leadership away from Tau's plank (Jats were not OBC initially in the Mandal commision list). Brahmin dominated BJP pulled away support and let down the Govt as well as the Mandal Commission report.
If Jaats/Gurjars/Yadavs combine comes to power then we will not have to look towards Madam or Sar Sangh Chalaks, In stead others will come automatically to our nucleus group.
So lets forget about the past rivalry, lets have a new begining. And this is for our younger generation to act. If internet has come to aid to our society then lets not make it yet another forum to abuse eachother, instead lets use it for some constructive thinking. There will always be ppl abusing the other communities, lets ignore them and join hands to to do social and political minglings.
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Post by Rajiv on Dec 9, 2006 9:25:37 GMT -5
This MR sharma 'thingyj' is an ashole
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Post by Rajasthani on Oct 14, 2007 14:11:13 GMT -5
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Post by madan jat on Jan 9, 2008 11:14:42 GMT -5
apka yeh vichar great h ki jat yadav gujar ek ho jaye to duniya par raj kar sakte ha yeh ek great idea he dua karta ho hamari jatio me itni akl aae or brhmin baniyo ki gulami or shoshan ka shikar hone se bach sake how can that possible
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Post by Krishan Kumar Gurjar Lohmod on Feb 12, 2008 12:18:46 GMT -5
Mr Vikas,
First of all I would like to say that you are not gurjar,
Secondly, You are not Panwar.
Because as you write that there is no Gurjar king in the History,
I myself is Krishan Kumar Gurjar- Lohmod is from the clan of The Great Gurjar Kingh Jagdev Panwar and every Panwar (lohmod, Lohia) Gurjar knows this fact why you don't know its prove that neither you are panwar nor you are gurjar,
Moreover,
There were and are lots of Gurjars in Politics why you don't know I amazed !
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Film Actor : Ranjit, Arjun Rampal, Akshy Kumar are Gurjars
(Over ladies don't goes in Acting
Dear, In the indian history Gurjars is the only cast which ruled India for the Longest Period, Your must read History
Why the Gurjar don't have their regiment in the Army you yourself has written the resion that Britisher allow Jaat's and Rajputs (Why?) and not to Gurjars (Why ?)
Think .........
further you can e mail me :
Krishankumar.gurjar@gmail.com
Nathupur - Gurgaon
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Post by sunil baisla on Feb 15, 2008 12:17:47 GMT -5
<I>Posted: through www.chawra.com 11/15/2003 2:29:36 AM</I> Hi Ali Sher Gurjar. I read your message and found that you want to know about Jats and Gurjar. Dear brother, you must be aware that see the Indian history of last 500 or 600 years. There is no mention of word Jats in the Indian History. Jats are the illegitimate children of post-Mahabharat scenario. It is said that in India after the Great Maharabhat War (nearly 3000 BC) thousands and thousand women became Vidhwa (they lost their husbands in the war) but they produced children with illegal husbands. First they were called as 'Ajaat'(without caste) but with the passage of time, the word 'ajaat' became 'jat' or 'jaat'. This is the true history of Jats people. Second version is that : Jaats are the products of women raped by Muslim invaders. Brahmins called them 'ajaat' (without caste) but with the passage of time, 'ajaat' became jaat or 'jat'. Third version is that : 'Jats' are said to be brainless people or slow minded people. They were like jad 'root'and root means 'stil' motionless. Hence, word 'jad' i.e. 'root' become 'jatt' or jat. MR sharma 'thingyj', Shimla India. the person who so ever has written this mail does not have any belonginess to the society, dear gentelemn just to let u know that instead of harmonising peace and increasing brotherhood among the human beings u r writing such stupids things. how u people get time to think and write all these things.i would really suggest that u should never repeat an act like that and u should feel sorry for writing all this kind of thing fora community, as our sites says samaj sndesh u should be thinking about the whole samaj as one not of hariajan bhramins and jats and gujjars. really i have no idea that my gujjars brothers also have such a cheap mentality that instead of contributing some thing good to this worls u get tiem to write all this cheap things about a community |
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Post by Sunil Baisla on Feb 15, 2008 12:50:12 GMT -5
[quote author=sunil baisla board=ocumminity thread
Hello Dear All,
I was just browsing the net and came in contact with this site, I would like to sincerely request the person who has written those negative comments about Jat community, please and please refrain from making such coments as they hurt the sentiments of the entire community.
Secondly, I would like to refer to the lengthy message by my so called gurjar friend Vijay Raj,
I really dont know to which community you belong to but the text in your message does not seem to be correct, I do belong to Western UP and have never heard that Jats and Rajputs dont allow Gurjars to sit with them. My village is surrounded by majority of Jats and Rajputs villages infact there is a brotherhood among them they invite each other on various occasions.
Regards
Sunil
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Post by deepak gurjar on Feb 19, 2008 4:45:09 GMT -5
i want to say that to vijay raj that he is not gurjar he is a jaat he used ugly words to gurjar becoz he is jealos that the gurjar community in india specially in wetern U.P is rich than any other community like jaats and rajput.and i want to say that in western
U.P the jaats killed thier brother for lands not gurjar.i m frm up tilla village my gotra is mavi and i dont hve any jaat frnd bcoz they all r froad and thief its true my father told me that u doesnt make frnd in jaats they all r froad and he told me that "jo apne sage bhai ka nahi ho sakta vo tumhara kya hoga"
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Post by yash on Feb 25, 2008 7:46:30 GMT -5
[mr.sharma tell bout yourself wat you ve done for india and ur nations rather than racial discrimination and sitting in temples whole night is not a worship nfor god "karm hi dharm hai" get used to this quote what ever u said bout jat go through the history of jats again on internet and wikipedia website do it fast is se pehle koi jat tujhe pakd kar teri aur teri maa chaud te aur ek aur ajaat pada hoo jaye hahaha
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Post by Kramasha on Apr 18, 2008 7:50:54 GMT -5
m r sharma....just one basic update for you, from time immemorial, brahmins have eaten at our houses that is Jats. If in your opinion the Jats are Ajaats or whatever conotation you give to the great Jats, that makes all the vashishths, pandeys and et all in my village Ajaats, by consuming our food.....they only eat at our houses we share the same wells et all....For your information you stupid buffoon.
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